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[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 hours ago (6 children)

Do you deny the genocide happening in China or in Ukraine? Then you are a tankie.

Do you defend the action of the orks in ukraine, or try to claim that the war began because of Ukraine or NATO somehow? Then you are a tankie.

Do you support, even if only mentally, totalitarian governments that love to act that they are somehow communist/socialist? Like the terrorist state of Russia, China, or North Korea? Then you are indeed a tankie.

It's funny how angry tankies can get when people who are actually leftists call them out. They try to squirm and claim that "they didn't support tanks entering sattelite states when they tried to split off from the USSR" when that's not even necessary to be called a tankie.

If you would rather support a totalitarian government over the freedoms communism and socialism promises to bring, you are not a leftist you claim to be, you are a tankie. But if that term offends people so much, perhaps we can call you a redfash, a red fascist. I don't mind that.

But then again, I am on a .ml community saying this, so I would not be supprised if this get removed lmao

[–] [email protected] 2 points 58 minutes ago

Okay then why am I accused of it while not qualifying. Seems like that's not how it's used by liberals, almost like this isn't the colloquial definition

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 hours ago

Straight from the horses' mouth, a tankie is anyone left of Hitler. You're literally calling humans 'orks'. You are a Nazi.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 hours ago (3 children)

Summary of this comment: "Do you recognize reality and not believe the ocean of NATO propaganda we're all awash in? Then you're a tankie. Do you reject a bunch of bullshit I made up using fascist-invented terms like "red fash" and "totalitarian"? Then you're a tankie."

Ok, I'm a definitely tankie then. It must suck not to be one and be stuck in these pitiful, childish delusions, and labeling people "orks" and ascribing people who value truth with what you think is an epithet. Some grade A fuckin' cringe right here.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

incredible that people can see an actual genocide livestreamed for 13 months on every social media platform available, and STILL think anything comparable to that is happening in China. absolutely mindboggling.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Damn, its almost as if China does everything in its power to block the media. As if they had some kind of way to silence their critics who live in China. As if they had some kind of control over their internet and all news sources...

As if this has been going on for a decade now, yet its still not an "actual genocide" for you people. Absolutely mind-boggling.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

do you think Israel, with one of the most advanced security apparatuses in the world, doesn't also have methods to censor evidence? and yet, all of this evidence still flows. insane, China has 1.4 billion people, all with cell phones, all with access to TikTok and VPNs, and there's not a single picture or video of mass graves or camps or starvation campaigns or religious persecution. is China just uniquely good at censorship? is every Chinese citizen just brainwashed and can't think for themselves?? or are you just repeating cold-war style CIA think-tank talking points about a geopolitical rival because you refuse to investigate for yourself?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Thats cute, to compare both as if they are identical. Because one country definitely isn't 100x larger than the other, with its concentration camps deep inside, where no one can see them.

Because the level of censorship in Israel is definitely comparable with that of China right? They definitely have cameras with AI face detection everywhere, a completely walled out Internet, and definitely dissappear journalists and critics (inside their territory, in palestine they do awful shit to journalists in palestine)

Israels' "most advanced security apparatus" definitely uses most of its time to censor such information right? They definitely are not rather focused on sabotage, assassinations and espionage of their geopolitical rivals. Because surely there doesn't exist a tiny amount of one, and massive amount of other.

And of course, there is no evidence of the starvation camps, forced abortions, rapes, forced sterilisations, yep definitely no evidence, you can't just fucking Google outside your Chinese and ruzzian propaganda sources. I definitely didn't investigate myself and definitely didn't learn this in my fucking modern history class.

But who am I to argue, against a fucking tankie like you? It's like talking to a wall.

Go ahead and go call me a fascist, or a NATO shill or something, and please continue denying genocide when it's your daddy dictators who do it. I couldn't care less.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 hours ago (7 children)

And if someone supports the American government which is committing a genocide in Gaza right now?

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (7 children)

Do you deny the genocide happening in China or in Ukraine? Then you are a tankie.

Do you believe that claims made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence? Then you're a tankie.

Some people have this idea that if a claim involves genocide, then it gets to bypass the entire process of investigating a claim, because it's technically "genocide denial," so like if someone said "France is committing genocide against Belgians!" you'd just have to accept it without question. In fact, it's the opposite, more extreme claims require more solid evidence.

Since we're on .ml though, we don't have to deal with such absurd censorship standards, and I'm free to point out the fact that the whole "Uighur genocide" narrative is just unsubstantiated propaganda, coming almost entirely from one crackpot named Adrian Zenz. And at this point it's largely outdated propaganda, since the narrative has largely quietly disappeared from the news after the claims about it couldn't be verified.

You're welcome to prove me wrong though. You know, just show me the bodies. How long has it allegedly been going on at this point? We can see what an ongoing genocide looks like by what's happening in Gaza. Strange how there aren't any similar images coming out of Xinjiang, isn't it?

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