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[–] [email protected] 82 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Burning down your house doesn't poison people thousands of years later, so it's not a perfect analogy.

Plus we have magic mirrors and magic fans that do the same thing as the magic rocks just way cheaper.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 13 hours ago (4 children)

We’ve upgraded from burning our houses down to burning our atmosphere down which will absolutely poison humans for centuries to come. And since we now burn larger fires with black rocks, those release far more magic rock dust that poisons people than the magic rock water heaters do. Not to mention that fire has both killed more of us cave dwellers than magic rocks ever have (including the flying weaponry runes made from them) and have caused more ecological disasters, so fire is much worse.

Then we talk magic mirrors, they have evil rocks in them that get in our rivers and we don’t contain well. That aside, we show tradition to our ancestors by making much of them with slavery.

And the magic fans? The design is very human. They’d be a gift from the gods if only the spirit of the wind were always with us.

Summary: Magic rock still good, black rocks and black water make bad fire and hairless monkey make sick more.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

This is exactly, factually right, and eloquently put using the same meme terminology people here understand.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 12 hours ago

I love the wording in here

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (2 children)

We had magic mirrors and magic fans for centuries tho.

Yet we decided to release way more poison and even way more radiation by mining and burning fossil fuels. We just poison larger areas than any nuclear disasters. And with fossil fuels people actually get cancer, and with toxic byproducts, mutations and birth defects.

People in polluted areas die sooner. Except around nuclear disasters sights - the air gets cleaner once all the people are thrown out.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Not even a joke, that's a very concise way to put the argument.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Except the retard didn't just burn his house down, he burned thousands of people's houses down in such a way that nobody could ever live there again, and came very close to burning down the whole continent in the same way.

(I'm still in favour of spicy rock steam)

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Isn't nuclear energy like super safe and have killed incredibly few people compared to all the other energy sources?

Or are you talking about destilling the magic rocks very much and putting them in a bomb?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Exactly.

The whole clusterfuck of mishandled Chernobyl cleanup & everything there before and after only claimed a few lives (via direct radiation tissue damage or just accidents).

Compare that with the daily average of thousands of killed in various (ultimately) oil wars.

But we don't even get news about that.

But western propaganda sure showed us malformed babies & claimed it was from radiation - it turns out it was all bullshit, it was always a toxic chemical behind it (unregulated industries selling toxic shit by the tonnes - fertilisers, paints, even biological warfare).

We just take radiation super seriously and completely disregard toxic chemical pollution of eg industrial spillages. People just get to live in polluted areas and die sooner because of that. Instead of living for longer & with less health hazards but with a little radiation.

And lastly - burning coal released way more radiation into air than nuclear accidents.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 12 hours ago

Or to put it another way, we almost ruined a large swath of land and learned from that mistake, but chose not to use it so when we do have to switch to nukes because destroyed our planet we will have forgotten all those lessons and do it again.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (3 children)

Na it's dumb. The issue with the magic rocks isn't the direct consequences like with the fire. The issues with these rocks are long terms with the consequences on humans and the environment thousands of years later.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah, the environmental issues that are orders of magnitude less problematic than literally pumping the toxic chemicals into the atmosphere like with fossil fuels, vs comparatively miniscule amount of solid waste to store inert.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 hours ago

Coal smoke is more radioactive than the outside of a fission reactor anyhow.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

What consequences?
There are no consequences for animals in Chernobyl, they are thriving in all aspects, even mammals living underground (mutations are fiction).

People that didn't leave the exclusion zone died of old age there.

Life on Earth had to deal with all sorts of radiation.

What caused mass extinction was ecosystem change, eg via global climate change.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 13 hours ago (10 children)

One time? Wikipedia says over 100 serious incidents and lists about 30 of them. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nuclear_and_radiation_accidents_and_incidents&wprov=rarw1

It's fine if you like nuclear, just don't try and claim it was one time. It poses serious risk and should be treated as such.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

The house burning probably happened more than one time too.

wiki/List_of_oil_spills

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 12 hours ago

Most of those didn't involve the magic rocks, and most didn't hurt anyone.

More people die creating the building materials for a powerplant (or a windmills, or a solar panel) than ever during operation. The numbers really don't matter.

I honestly don't care what we do, as long as we stop burning coal, oil and gas. The way I see it, every nuclear plant and windmill means we all die a little later.

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[–] [email protected] 102 points 16 hours ago (4 children)

Well, you see, the "Anti Magic Rock" Lobby has immense amount of power because of the money of the still lucrative "burning stuff and pollute everything" business.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 12 hours ago

It's the "Burning other magic rocks" party.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Step 1: Get magic rocks.

Step 2: Now design the rest of the nuclear reactor.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Step 3: ???

Step 4: Profit.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I always wonder where we would actually be at as a civilization if it weren't for fuckass lobbyists and money hoarding greedy assholes. This is a perfect example. If we'd learned from our mistakes and actually improved on nuclear energy there's no telling where we'd be at this point.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 13 hours ago

But the profits!

[–] [email protected] 28 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

"Right in the heart of it is an itty bitty windmill and that just don't sit right with me" - That one cousin at Thanksgiving

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