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[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 hours ago

That’s not at all what happened.

The donkey showed people the positions and the people sat at home.

The same assholes as usual voted Republican and that’s how Trump won.

People were lazy, disinterested, and not motivated to vote for the incumbent party.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

So when will the Democratic Party unveil it's grand plan to actually RESIST all this fascism?

Does anyone have a schedule, perhaps?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

They already did. The voters decided they didn't like the plan. That's it for democratic methods. American democratically chose not to resist fascism. https://theonion.com/america-defeats-america/

Go buy a gun and join an anarchist organisation. You won't get help with the democrats, they tried and were shut down.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

They already did.

What plan was that? "Vote harder?"

The voters decided they didn’t like the plan.

Yeah, I also dislike plans that simply go, "trust me, bro."

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

The plan was that Harris would win the election and Trump wouldn't be president. That's resisting fascism, by denying it supreme executive power.

The voters said no thanks.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

That’s resisting fascism

Bullshit. It does absolutely nothing except put a Dem in the White House for another four years and does absolutely nothing about all the fascism.

Nothing.

That's not a plan, that's business as usual.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Well okay, if you think there's no difference between a Harris presidency and a fascist dictatorship, then this comic is about you. Congratulations, you've appeared in a work of (badly drawn) art.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

then this comic is about you.

So you literally assumed business as usual could stop fascism?

I suggest you wake up. Fast.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 hours ago

No. We weren't talking about stopping fascism, we were talking about resisting fascism. You've changed the subject to a much bigger problem and assumed drag wouldn't notice your switcheroo.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

The problem wasn't Harris or her platform, it was that more than half of American voters are fucking idiots. Massive public stupidity is a problem no politician and no platform can cure. We've spent more than half a century addicting ourselves to entertainment and convenience. We need everything presented to us in memes now. America collectively has shit for brains, so we're going to have a sack of shit for President. Congrats y'all.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

The people are tired of the Dems presenting them with weak bullshit solutions to their very real problems and being told to get on board because the alternative is worse. The cost of living in America is drowning the middle class and the Dems keep throwing us water wings.

I don't agree that Trump's policies are the answer but I can understand desperate people looking anywhere for some relief.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Drag thinks that not having a fascist dictator who wants to holocaust all the trans people is a strong solution to a very real problem. Drag got excited about the idea of the USA continuing to be a somewhat-democracy where drag's trans friends are allowed to live. Drag was excited about driving Putin out of Ukraine, and drag was very happy to vote for the West Bank not to blow up. Drag thinks all those "desperate people" seem not to care very much about queer people, ukrainians, or palestinians. And if they were only in it for themselves, maybe they could have gotten excited about Harris' plan to help first home buyers. Drag has been seeing memes for a decade about how Millenials will never buy houses, and drag feels that pain. Harris had a plan. It wasn't a great plan, but it was a plan. It seems the voters didn't just lack empathy, but also lacked self-interest.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

It wasn't a great plan

You're entitled to be mad at the voters for forsaking their fellow citizens as well as the citizens of Ukraine and Palestine. But that doesn't change the fact that, "not a great plan" wasn't good enough for voters to turn out for the Democrats. Voters are inevitably going to vote for whatever they perceive as being in their own self interests. It's up to the political parties to align with what the voters want and the Democrats have continuously failed to do that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago

Yes, the DNC are just as much at fault as the people who voted for a fascist dictatorship.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (2 children)

2008- Popular vote (D) 69,498,516 vs. [R] 59,948,323
2012- Popular vote (D) 65,915,795 vs. [R] 60,933,504
2016- Popular vote (D) 65,853,514 vs. [R] 62,984,828
2020- Popular vote (D) 81,283,501 vs. [R] 74,223,975
2024- Popular vote (D) 68,092,002 vs. [R] 72,747,033

Trump lost some voters. Kamala lost WAY more voters. Find out why 15 million voters overall didn't vote. Or more particularly, find out why all those voters came out in 2020 and not in 2016 or 2024.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 hours ago

I would say 2020 was more the outlier then anything. Then again, that was right after 4 years of trump and you know waves hands all the crap that happened then.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago

They took the threat seriously and we really didn't take it seriously again.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

Thanks for the blocks, I guess.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

The ceasefire in Gaza was always bullshit and it was obviously bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

I'm going to end the war!

Putin says the same thing.

Details, bitch, with a clear path to a two-state solution because Israel has lost all rights to claim they're not an apartheid state.

Not that it matters now.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

Weak platform my ass. Half of the US population is simply too brainwashed to even comprehend what Kamala offered them.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Trump lost votes from last election. Kamela lost a fuck ton more. No one became a trump voter, kamela offered nothing to the left and expected support. Do I wish my fellow leftists would of voted for self preservation? Fuck yeah I do. But at the end of the day it's the candidate at fault. And Kamala did everything in her fucking power to lose the left vote. It's the same every god damn time with the Democrats. You want something to focus your anger at? Focus it at the party fighting trump 2024 with Trump's 2020 border wall, military, immigration ass policies.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 hours ago

Other then not Trump (a fair offer to be honest) what did she offer voters? She seemed to run on a status quo platform.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 hours ago

Half the population can't accept basic reality anymore.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (3 children)

It's not their platform was weak. It's that they are weak. They hold their tongue while their opponents are jerking off in their face. They mind their Ps & Qs while someone holds a gun to a child's head somewhere in America. They govern "responsibly" while half the government is on fire. There is no sense of urgency, there is no sense of reality, there is no sense they actually give a fuck.

It's easy to stand up there at the podium and wane intellectual about filling the sky with stars and ask us all to "keep fighting" but where was your fight? How did you lose to this with everything on the line?

Why would we fight for a bunch of fish to be thrown on land so we can sit there and watch them flop around drowning in a political environment that is killing them?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Maybe if Trump starts executing them, and shit becomes win or die for them like it is for a lot of people, then maybe they'll start thinking about how to win at all costs (like listening to what people actually want) instead of "we want to win, but only as long as it doesn't adversely affect our donor daddies"

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago

No, they need to be replaced. They're complicit.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 13 hours ago

I might go one further and say "Look, you need to take my platform seriously!" isn't a winning message when the last guy lied about his platform. Biden took office promising a bunch of BernieBro shit - debt forgiveness, climate change reform, prosecution of corrupt officials from the prior administration, voting reform - and then failed to deliver. Obama ran into the same shit after 2008, tanking his majorities in 2010 and then pulling through despite a negative approval rating in 2012, because he did not deliver the goods.

How did you lose to this with everything on the line?

Its easy to forget that conservatives (particularly the heavy hitters) also have a ton of shit on the line. You'll notice Wall Street loves a full GOP House/Senate/Presidency and the market is surging. Crypto is surging. Elon Musk and the Winklevoss Twins and the Murdochs and even Bezos are bullish on the next four years. These people had vast fortunes on the line and they acted like it. They turned the country against the Democrats by hook and by crook, through their mass media and their industrial stoogies.

The Democrats needed their old allies in the labor movement to push back. They needed teachers and university students. They needed the urban professional class. But after Biden sold out the rail unions and failed to support service sector or aerospace or even the fucking Postal Service? After he flubbed debt forgiveness for college grads? After he let state governments (in Red and Blue states alike) run roughshod over public education? Who was left?

Dems immolated their own base, chasing the traditionally conservative upper middle class white homeowners. Schumer promised that every blue collar voter who went to Trump would be replaced by two suburban moms. Oops.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 12 hours ago

They don't give a damn shit. It's all smiles, jokes and smirks nowadays.

I think mama Kamala would've had a way better chance of win if she just offered a simple public apology for force-labouring so many poor people before shifting policies 180°. Instead they do that yesterday, then the exact opposite today and a big laugh in your face.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 15 hours ago (5 children)

People forget that nationwide elections are ordinarily determined by infrequent voters to begin with.

It wasn't high-propensity voters voting for trump, third party, or abstaining, it was ordinary non-political americans who didn't see a point in voting for a status-quo center-right candidate.

People have been screaming at democrats since at least 2008 that they need more progressive, more radical policies, and they've repeatedly avoided addressing those concerns. Trump ran in 2016 as a moderate. He came out on the left of fucking hillary clinton on the war in Iraq and interventionism. She lost to trump because he maneuvered to the left of her, and democrats still have not fucking learned.

Democrats need to let go of their moderate progenitors and re-build their base from the bottom left. They're leaving millions of voters on the table because they keep hamstringing themselves on a bygone era of popular neoliberalism, and there's nobody left to blame now but the party itself.

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