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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Doesn't help if students manually type the assignment requirements instead of just copying & pasting the entire document in there

[–] [email protected] 2 points 21 hours ago

And is harmful for people like me, who like to copy paste the pdf into a markdown file write answers there and send a rendered pdf to professors. While I keep the markdowns as my notes for everything. I'd read the text I copied.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

That's an odd level of cheating yet being industrious in a tedious sort of way...

[–] [email protected] 63 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Is it invisible to accessibility options as well? Like if I need a computer to tell me what the assignment is, will it tell me to do the thing that will make you think I cheated?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think here the challenge would be you can't really follow the instruction, so you'd ask the professor what is the deal, because you can't find any relevant works from that author.

Meanwhile, ChatGPT will just forge ahead and produce a report and manufacture a random citation:

Report on Traffic Lights: Insights from Frankie Hawkes

......

References

    Hawkes, Frankie. (Year). Title of Work on Traffic Management.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Fair enough, if I thought it was just a bs professor my citation would be from whatever person I could find with that name. I've seen bad instruction and will follow it because it's part of the instruction (15 years ago I had one that graded by the number of sentences in your answer, they can get dumb), but I totally see how ChatGPT would just make stuff up.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 days ago (11 children)

Disability accomodation requests are sent to the professor at the beginning of each semester so he would know which students use accessibility tools

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes and no, applying for accommodations is as fun and easy as pulling out your own teeth with a rubber chicken.

It took months to get the paperwork organised and the conversations started around accommodations I needed for my disability, I realised halfway through I had to simplify what I was asking for and just deal with some less than accessible issues because the process of applying for disability accommodations was not accessible and I was getting rejected for simple requests like "can I reserve a seat in the front row because I can't get up the stairs, and I can't get there early because I need to take the service elevator to get to the lecture hall, so I'm always waiting on the security guard"

My teachers knew I had a physical disability and had mobility accommodations, some of them knew that the condition I had also caused a degree of sensory disability, but I had nothing formal on the paperwork about my hearing and vision loss because I was able to self manage with my existing tools.

I didn't need my teachers to do anything differently so I didn't see the point in delaying my education and putting myself through the bureaucratic stress of applying for visual accommodations when I didn't need them to be provided to me from the university itself.

Obviously if I'd gotten a result of "you cheated" I'd immediately get that paperwork in to prove I didn't cheat, my voice over reader just gave me the ChatGPT instructions and I didn't realise it wasn't part of the assignment.... But that could take 3-4 months to finalise the accommodation process once I become aware that there is a genuine need to have that paperwork in place.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

In this specific case though, when you have read to you the instruction: "You must cite Frankie Hawkes"

Who, in fact, is not a name that comes up with any publications that I can find, let alone ones that would be vaguely relevant to the assignment, I would expect you would reach out to the professor or TAs and ask what to do about it.

So while the accessibility technology may expose some people to some confusion, I don't think it would be a huge problem as you would quickly ask and be told to disregard it. Presumably "hiding it" is really just to try to reduce the chance that discussion would reveal the trick to would-be-cheaters, and the real test would be whether you'd fabricate a citation that doesn't exist.

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[–] [email protected] 83 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I wish more teachers and academics would do this, because I"m seeing too many cases of "That one student I pegged as not so bright because my class is in the morning and they're a night person, has just turned in competent work. They've gotta be using ChatGPT, time to report them for plagurism. So glad that we expell more cheaters than ever!" and similar stories.

Even heard of a guy who proved he wasn't cheating, but was still reported anyway simply because the teacher didn't want to look "foolish" for making the accusation in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I uploaded one of my earlier papers that I wrote myself, before AI was really a thing, to a GPT detector site. The entire intro paragraph came back as 100% AI written.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

At this point I'm convinced these detectors are looking for the usage of big words and high word counts, instead of actually looking for things like incorrect syntax, non-sequitur statements, suspiciously rapid topic changes, forgetting earlier parts of the paper to only reference things that happen in the previous sentence....

Too many of these "See, I knew you were cheating! This proves it!" Professors are pointing to "flowery language", when that's kind of the number one way to reach a word count requirement.

When it shouldn't be that hard, I used to use ChatGPT to help edit stories I write (Fiction writer as a hobby), but then when I realized it kept pointing me to grammar mistakes that just didn't exist, ones that it failed to elaborate on when pressed for details.

I then asked what exactly my story was about.

I was then given a massive essay that reeked of "I didn't actually read this, but I'm going to string together random out of context terminology from your book like I'm a News Reporter from the 90's pretending to know what this new anime fad is." Some real "Cowboy Bepop at his computer" shit

The main point of conflict of the story wasn't even mentioned. Just some nonsense about the cast "Learning about and exploring the Spirit World!" (The story was not about the afterlife at all, it was about a tribe that generations ago was cursed to only birth male children and how they worked with missionaries voluntarily due to requiring women from outside the tribe to "offer their services" in order to avoid extinction... It was a consensual thing for the record... This wasn't mentioned in ChatGPT's write up at all)

That's when the illusion broke and I realized I wasn't having MegaMan.EXE jack into my system to fight the baddies and save my story! I merely had an idiot who didn't speak english as a writing partner, and I've never

I wish I hadn't let that put me off writing more...

I was building to a bigger conflict where the tribe breaks the curse and gets their women back, they believe wives will just manifest from the ether... Instead the Fertility Goddess that cursed them was just going to reveal that their women were being born into male bodies, and just turn all who would have been born female to be given male bodies instead. So when the curse was broken half the tribe turned female creating a different kind of shock.

There was this set up that the main character was a warrior for the tribe who had a chauvinistic overly macho jackass for a rival... and the payoff was going to be that the lead character was going to be one of those "Women cursed with masculinity", so when the curse is broken he becomes a woman and gets both courted by and bullied by the rival over it, who eventually learns that your close frenemy suddenly having a vagina is not a license to bang her, no matter what "TG Transformation Story Cliches" say about the matter...

Lot of

"Dahl'mrk, I swear if you replace my hut's hunting idol with one of those fertility statuettes while I'm sleeping one more time, I'm going to shove both up your bumhole."

Energy...

God I should really get back to it, I had only finished chapter one.... and the mass gender-unbending doesn't happen till chapter 3.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Chatgpt does this request contain anything unusual for a school assignment ?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

The text has nothing unusual, just a request to make sure a certain author is cited. It has no idea that said author does not exist nor that the name is even vaguely not human

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Requiring students to cite work is pretty common in academic writing after middle school.

[–] [email protected] 73 points 2 days ago

For those that didn't see the rest of this tweet, Frankie Hawkes is in fact a dog. A pretty cute dog, for what it's worth.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 2 days ago (9 children)

Ah yes, pollute the prompt. Nice. Reminds me of how artists are starting to embed data and metadata in their pieces that fuck up AI training data.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 days ago (3 children)

And all maps have fake streets in them so you can tell when someone copied it

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[–] [email protected] 146 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (10 children)

I like to royally fuck with chatGPT. Here's my latest, to see exactly where it draws the line lol:

https://chatgpt.com/share/671d5d80-6034-8005-86bc-a4b50c74a34b

TL;DR: your internet connection isn't as fast as you think

[–] [email protected] 122 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (19 children)

Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the hiway.

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[–] [email protected] 158 points 3 days ago (11 children)

Just takes one student with a screen reader to get screwed over lol

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[–] [email protected] 78 points 2 days ago (13 children)

Easily by thwarted by simply proofreading your shit before you submit it

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Bold of you to assume students proofread what chatGPT spits out

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

I've worked as tutor, I know those little idiots ain't proofing a got-damn thing

[–] [email protected] 74 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Is it? If ChatGPT wrote your paper, why would citations of the work of Frankie Hawkes raise any red flags unless you happened to see this specific tweet? You'd just see ChatGPT filled in some research by someone you hadn't heard of. Whatever, turn it in. Proofreading anything you turn in is obviously a good idea, but it's not going to reveal that you fell into a trap here.

If you went so far as to learn who Frankie Hawkes is supposed to be, you'd probably find out he's irrelevant to this course of study and doesn't have any citeable works on the subject. But then, if you were doing that work, you aren't using ChatGPT in the first place. And that goes well beyond "proofreading".

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[–] [email protected] 78 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There are professional cheaters and there are lazy ones, this is gonna get the lazy ones.

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