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[–] [email protected] 92 points 1 month ago (4 children)

And note that her wording was "at least $15", so she's signaling openness to doing more than that

[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Good, because "fight for $15" has been going on so long that the real number to regain parity with what minimum wage used to be is a lot higher than that by now.

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Wait, doubling it -to- 15 dollars an hour? Holy shit, I knew it was bad, but that is insane. Ours is already starting to feel too low at 17.40 here in Canada, granted that is about the equivalent of around $12.50 USD. So it's lower than what she is proposing, maybe if she manages it, we'll be able to get ours up.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah, the states have been moving towards 15, but the national minimum wage has been stuck for a few decades. And also yes, 15 is already way too low.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

Most states have their own minimum wage laws at this point. Not all of them. So this will help a handful of mostly-red states.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

It varies by province and at the federal level in Canada, 17.40 is for BC specifically, Alberta and Saskatchewan are the lowest at 15, Nunavut is the highest at 19 and it's 17.30 for jobs under federal jurisdiction.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The last place I worked upped their minimum wage to $10 an hour. It certainly wasn't because of benevolence or federal shifts...they slowly realized that when you pay the absolute minimum, you only attract the minimum talent, and most of those positions had very high turnover rates that were costing the company more than it'd be to just raise the starting pay rates.

It was cheaper to pay those positions more money.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

Unfortunately in my state where the minimum wage is higher than the federal, many service industry companies refuse to learn that lesson. Or they think 16 cents above minimum wage is enough to attract top tier talent.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I'll believe it when I see it. Seems every candidate has promised this for as long as I've been following American politics and no one actually manages it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

She's yet to pull out "I will lower taxes!" card that's been over-promised. "I will lower inflation rates!" card that's been over-promised.

So many empty promises from any politician that has ever said those.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Dang that is a lot of trackers

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And if you read the document associated, its because they are pushing to raise on the $400+k/yr taxes.

Its a bit of an overview of course, but there is meat of course.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 month ago (3 children)

$15/hr works out to be about 30k/yr. That's not enough to live on. We need a $30 minimum wage. It needs to be indexed to both inflation as well as congressional salary. If they get a raise, everyone gets a raise.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah that fight for 15 was in 2016. We are way past that fight needs to be fucking 25 to 30. But watch every single fucking Republican will vote against any increases of minimum wage. 7.25 is a fucking joke and law makers should be fucking ashame of themselves.

Actually any of them vote no on a raise should have all their money seized and made to live on minimum wage for 5 years.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Law makers should be making 7.25 an hour, and only when they are on the floor.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

Canadian but same problem here. Long term we need UBI worldwide if we plan on ever moving forward as a species.

Short term we need benefits for those less fortunate keyed to inflation at a bare minimum. In Ontario people with disabilities are paid below the poverty line. It's disgusting.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 month ago

fight for 15 years late

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago (12 children)

Oh.

My minded automatically corrected that as "doubling from 15 to 30". Because that's what it needs to be, at least.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I can get a two dollar raise...

Well it's better than the FUCKING CONCENTRATION CAMP I'd get from the other guy

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

Yeah except the concentration camps come with free room and board.*

*Charges for the room and board will be deducted from your earnings as a slave.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Name a more iconic duo than politicians and making promises that rely on the cooperation of other branches of government.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Not voting in enough Democrats into Congress to do anything and saying the Democrats didn’t actually want to do anything

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Good!

Now also link it to yearly inflation annually in December!

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If the house and Senate approve. She can't just do it on her own

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

That's great!

Certain burger-flipping former presidents have legal fees to pay and this goes a LONG way to making due.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

I believe all promises that are made within the last 30 days of an election!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

Heard this before. Democrats will encounter one tiny setback and give up until the next election cycle.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This was literally her supposed signature issue when she was running with Biden.

She didn’t fight for it at all.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Whaaaaat??

A politician making a bunch of claims right before an election and then never following through on them?

Say it ain't so! Not in my America!

Yeah it's lying season. Both sides are telling us what they think we want to hear.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

Surely we'll get it this time.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

You're about 5 - 10 years behind, maybe longer, Harris.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

And they'll STILL walk it back the moment some unelected clerk with only ceremonial authority objects. If not before THAT even happens.

They always start negotiations at "nowhere near good enough" and make tons of concessions to Republicans from there.

Even the GOP becoming a literal fascist party that never negotiates in good faith hasn't changed their toxic inadequacy and insistence on bipartisanship being the highest political virtue possible.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Is this an argument as to why we shouldn't raise the minimum wage?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I doubt many people make anywhere close to minimum, but no excuse not to raise it!

5-years ago? Yep, we had tons of clients paying rock bottom, or close enough. I'm not in the payroll business anymore, but the jobs my wife was looking at as a preschool teacher were $12+, and that job always pays shit. Walmart and Target start at $15, or more.

All this is a small town where you would expect small wages. I was in Manhattan in 1992 and was astounded at the prices. Ask my native friend how people survived on minimum wage. He looked at me funny and laughed, "Dude. No one gets minimum wage. $10 is as low as it goes."

Good news on one of those shit paying clients! They were really hurting and the new CEO turned everything around in a couple of years. At that time, they started paying $12, paying benefits and paying for education.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Economies work from the bottom up and never the top down. The more money people have, the more money they can spend, and thus the more goods and services they can buy, and thus the more demand there is, and thus the more supply there will be.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

This has been my argument for years. If you want a strong economy have a strong middle class...they're the ones with the disposable income.

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