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Paris SUV driver charged with murder after cyclist run over (www.theguardian.com)

submitted 2 weeks ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/31244231

Ian Brossat, a former Paris councillor and now a senator representing the French Communist party, called for SUVs to be banned in Paris. “This is not the first incident of its kind, and the dangerous nature of SUVs has already been pointed out on several occasions. We owe it to this young man to realise the scale of the problem and draw all the consequences,” Brossat told the Nouvel Obs.

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[–] [email protected] 73 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

SUVs are a plague. They should never have existed, much less be sold in Europe.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

There are some rural places, such as northern Canada where am SUV is practical. With the amount of snow that falls there, a small car just doesn't work well.

But in Paris, yeah, ban them.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago

It's the light truck classification that has driven this trend. Before the SUV you could just get a Bronco, Wagoneer, or such. Moving people around in off-road conditions has always had a niche, but bad rules have reshaped the market to an unhealthy condition.

[+] [email protected] -46 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

This seems completely unrelated to the story at hand... an SUV isn't any better at running down a cyclist than a truck is.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

In British English, a truck is a lorry, or artic. I think you mean a pickup, which used to be called a pickup in US English, but changed to truck because of insecure, tiny-penis people

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

All of the above. Trucks are even better at killing civilians than SUVs are.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Truck drivers are professionals, which doesn’t make them perfect but at least trained in driving large vehicles. SUVs are oversized hormonal toys for insecure, wealthy people who hate rules and other people. They’re even specifically marketed towards that group, just like the modern F150s and RAMs you see now on our narrow roads.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

In theory, yes.

In practice, trucks are possibly the greatest hazard to cyclist, and the don't are ridiculously low. In one case, the driver list good license for a month and had to pay a fine of 4500 euros.

Initially, he called the judgement "too harsh" and that he wants to appeal, which it seems he retracted.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago

I admire your contortionism.

The article is about a manchild killing someone with an SUV, and about banning SUVs, and you're here all like "look there guys, a pink elephant".

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Truck drivers are professionals

In my state there is an exemption for farmers, their immediate family, and employees. They can get restricted type of CDL without taking a driving test, and aren't subject to drug and alcohol screening. They just have certain restrictions basically limited to farming activity.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

In my country, farmers unfortunately have similar exceptions. It must be said though, that they rarely drive through towns and cities (and a good thing it is, because most seem to be rather careless).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

Ours drive grain to large silos which are usually built next to railroad tracks. There are very small towns that exist only because of the grain silo. The trucks are common enough that you see them on highways and in town. I usually try to stay away from them because they don't take care of them very well. I've seen them with completely bald tires.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Trucks literally have better front visibility than most big SUVs

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Is that a fact? Take it up with Edwards, M. and Leonard, D. (September 2022). "Effects of large vehicles on pedestrian and pedalcyclist injury severity". Journal of Safety Research.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

Why not banning both.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 weeks ago

Isn't there an EU citizens initiative to ban large suvs and large pickup trucks yet?
I searched here but I can't find any:
https://citizens-initiative.europa.eu/find-initiative_en

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago

This passive language bullshit is so obvious sometimes. "Oh, I wonder what the cyclist did to get run over? And that poor SUV driver getting charged for murder because of this event, Paris is really going off the deep end finding ways to attack innocent drivers." And yet, per the article, the SUV driver ran down the cyclist in a fit of road rage. That sounds an awful lot like an active choice by the driver, not some passive circumstance that the headline implies. If this person got angry and attacked someone with a knife, and the victim died, the headline wouldn't be "Knife owner charged with murder after person stabbed". But use the "right" weapon and all of a sudden we put the kiddie gloves on

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago

Fuck cars