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'Jabalia Is Being Wiped Out': Gaza Pleads for Help as Israel Intensifies Assault (www.commondreams.org)

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/21190458

Jake Johnson Oct 08, 2024

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What a terrible part of history we're witnessing

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Don't merely witness. Join an organization and work against st this genocide.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Like what

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Whichever ones are active at any local protests or actions. If none are, then a socialist organization that does not mince words about support for the resistance. If you are in college there are anti-imperialist orgs organized specifically by and for college students.

I would be more specific but it's more important to find an active org with a good line on Palestine (e.g. one that opposes Harris, supports fighting against Israel) than it is to join one specific national org.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I don’t live in America

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Why would you need to?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I read this and think there is nothing I as a normal person can do. Sure I write my elected officials to stop the genocide, to stop Israel from killing civilians. But what else can I do?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago

If the elected officials don't want to listen then stop voting for them.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

idf destroyer

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This specic post October attack Israeli incursion, genocide and massive land grab will be Joe Biden's legacy. Nothing he did or will do will shine a candle light on this.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Was listening to the Oct 7th episode of the Majority Report as they spoke with Ilan Pappé and they discussed how just as Biden got into Washington he was replacing a guy on certain committees that was driven out of politics by the Israel lobby for daring to write a report on Israeli direct and illegal funding of US politicians and trying to have a public enquiry on it. Biden learned a very important lesson, by a Zionist or the Zionists will fund a smear campaign against you.

[+] [email protected] -7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

It’s a goddamn shame how evil the world is. And it’s incredibly sad that people become desensitized to it, but they do. Incremental improvement does very little for the present, but it’s the only feasible solution right now.

The alternative is to turn right wing and make everything exponentially worse. It’s incredibly sad that the people everywhere are powerless, but it’s a fact of life in the world right now.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Absolutely wrong. The implied "incremental improvement" option is the party doing this genocide. If you want to stop these things you need to help organize opposition to it.

Also please show some respect and stop using passive voice or like there is no blame or perpetrator. This is a propaganda tool of the genociders. The genocided, their deaths just happen, per this propaganda. You're not meant to know where the JDAMs that bomb schools and hospitals come from. Don't ask who makes them. Don't ask who buys them. Don't ask who supplies recon for them. Don't ask who produces and sells and buys the planes that drop them. Don't ask who gives this genocide diplomatic support, PR support, and tries to shove it down your throat as if you have no agency.

Don't let your masters make you complicit in genocide. Name the actors. Blame them. And fight against them.

[+] [email protected] -6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

This situation is specific to the US, but because of the election, right now is the exact wrong time to be raising alarm bells and turning blame toward the Biden Administration. It's not that they haven't made mistakes; it's that the alternative is so, so much worse. What's happening is a tragedy, but it will only widen in scope and be replicated elsewhere if Trump takes office again.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

right now is the exact wrong time to be raising alarm bells and turning blame toward the Biden Administration. It’s not that they haven’t made mistakes;

They haven't made mistakes. What they are doing is deliberate. They are not some oafish giant who tripped and fell and flattened a section of Gaza. They are continuously supplying bombs of all kinds to a military committing the one of the most well-documented genocides in history.

What's the correct schedule for blaming the material facilitator of a genocide for their actions, if you wouldn't mind instructing us plebeians according to your enlightened timetables? Is it the two years following an election but not the two years beforehand?

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

When/if Trump loses and the threat of another attempted coup or civil war has passed would be ideal. Demotivating voters who would keep Trump out of office is bad for everyone, as is emboldening the people who would commit treason to take the office by force.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Ah, I see! Please, instruct me further: For how long will it be permissible to blame the Kamala regime for their crimes? For surely there will be a new Most Important Election of Our Lifetime next election, as there has been for at least the last three (and arguably the last dozen or more), and by this logic it would be terrible to imperil the that election as well. Shall it be whenever the new Republican we're calling Uniquely Fascist announces their candidacy, and/or when the media instructs us that an already-announced candidate turns out to be Uniquely Fascist? The election cycles seem to be starting earlier and earlier each year, so I don't expect you could produce a date for when it becomes unacceptable to state obvious facts, but surely something must tell us the window of time it is Ideal!

You must understand, this is all so very complicated, so it's good to have an Adult in the Room to help out us children.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

Kissinger, while organising the bombing of Cambodia and killing hundreds of thousands of civilians, said that if he personally didn't organise it the alternative (some other psychotic official) would be worse.

Should we give him a pass? Forgive him his crimes against humanity because someone else would be worse? Does that make the systematic murder of hundreds of thousands of civilians palatable?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

This situation is specific to the US, but because of the election, right now is the exact wrong time to be raising alarm bells

The genocide is happening now. Now is the time to organize against it. Democrats do land acknowledgments while also doing genocide. You would have everyone stand back so that they can further the genocide unhindered by domestic opposition.

and turning blame toward the Biden Administration.

The Biden Administration, in charge of the global superpower and sponsor of Israel, has been making this genocide possible and providing direct aid and support and planning and PR cover and diplomatic cover to it.

"Don't criticize the genociders". That's you.

It's not that they haven't made mistakes

The things they would consider a mistake are things like not cracking down on TikTok earlier so that the public would not be aware of how starkly reality contrasts with what Israeli and American media " report". So that the public would not sympathize with those facing genocide.

The full backing of Israeli genocide, however, is consistent and intentional. The idea that it is accidental is the kind of PR they sell hoping that their uninformed partisan audience (usually old people without media literacy) will just accept it without question.

it's that the alternative is so, so much worse.

The thing happening right now is genocide. This tired and poor lesser evil logic doesn't even apply.

What's happening is a tragedy, but it will only widen in scope and be replicated elsewhere if Trump takes office again.

It seems you believe your only political role is to cheerlead genociders. You cannot imagine taking an oppositional role to genocide, to act directly against it, or to make demands by building and using leverage. Ask yourself how your logic does not apply to giving the green light to those committing genocide. For there to be zero consequences. Think about the actual logic rather than repeating talking points.

This "all I can do is cheerlead for my team" is exactly how your masters want you to behave so that they can do things like genocide and still get your vote and openly voiced support (you are not even ashamed!).

Please stop being complicit in genocide.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

Stop doing mental gymnastics for your blue fascist party, both parties are wings from the same bird.