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[–] [email protected] 96 points 11 months ago (2 children)

As intended.

Israel's strategy with the West Bank is masterful. Wholly and completely evil, but masterful.

Either the Palestinians just accept their lot, in which case Israel incrementally takes their land through their "settler" proxies, or the Palestinians (entirely justifiably) try to fight back, in which case the IDF goes in and kills a bunch of them, and Israel takes their land anyway.

It's fucking despicable, but it works, and if one is devoid of morality, empathy or simple human decency, that's all that matters.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago

Oh, and don't forget that the IDF have been reported on (and even video taped themselves) stealing money, jewelry, and anything else valuable they can grab in Gaza while they're there.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's funny, it's pretty similar to what the US government did when they sent in settlers out to the west. Once over enough settlers staking out clams of land, it ended up crowding out the native Americans which led to conflict, and then you ended up with Custer killing bison on the Great plains.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I think the significant part there though is that it's what the US government did almost 200 years ago. Not that that excuses it, but it was a much more primitive and ignorant world then, and at least some of it can be ascribed to that primitiveness and ignorance.

Doing the same thing in the modern world though - that's just pure, unmitigated evil.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

@Rottcodd I agree with this. We know now how bad that stuff back then was and we know the generations of misery it creates.

Doing it now would be like going back to legalising spousal rape and handling plutonium without protection.

[–] [email protected] 74 points 11 months ago

A headline that would be accurate any time in the last 70 years.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Quit calling them settlers. They're invaders, and should be treated as such.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 11 months ago

(pst, settlers are invaders)

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago

They are war criminals that deserve to be punished

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago
[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Do you know any time where settlers are not invaders?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago

Early human history and the Falkland islands. But that's it.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The beehives burned by Israeli settlers at Salah Awwad’s farm

Even bees lost their home too...

[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago

clearly those were Hamas spies!

[–] [email protected] 33 points 11 months ago

More Israeli war crimes. It must be a day ending in y.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 11 months ago

Some clowns are down voting the comments here. I suspect that they see this as some righteous reclaiming of land that is infested with vermin. Oh sorry, I mistakenly used the Nazi explanation for when the did the same thing.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago (1 children)

TLDR; Israeli ... steal Palestinian... land.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

That's nothing new. These war criminals have been doing this since the very beginning of their existance.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Again and again and again for decades.

As much as I'm appalled at the violence (from both sides), it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone (least of all Isreal) that Palestinian factions would eventually respond with violence to constantly being pushed further into a corner.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Like they have been doing for eighty years?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago
[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago

That's nothing new. The Israeli government solely consists of war criminals and it was all planned by them.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago

Oh boy here I go colonizing agaaain

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Ultimately all the Nazi's scapegoating was merely a means for for those they saw as the best people to expand their power and dominion as well.

I don't take this as a lesson about the Jewish people specifically being bad, I take this as the historically belabored lesson that humanity at large isn't worth saving from its own many self-inflicted crises brought on by greed and power lust using technologies we never, ever cared to respect since their inceptions. We don't respect or care for this earth, or even ourselves amongst ourselves, despite our great power of invention we wield as irresponsibly as a orangutan with a shotgun.

Bring on the climate change. Bring on the AGI. The Earth will weather it as it has every prior mass extinction. Hell, the Devonian mass extinction was ALSO the result of a runaway evolutionary mistake, we aren't the first attack on Earth's biome from within due to catastrophic evolutionary consequences, and we likely won't be the last. Other creatures will suffer, yes, but at least if we are thwarted, that suffering will have an end at some point. Plus they already are. We decimate ecosystems to build strip malls, and stick the handful of species we find cute or some utility in in cages for humans to gawk at and/or labs to bisect. Then we declare them protected.

As long as we continue to have dominion over surface life, including ourselves, the needless suffering of this planet and most of humanity BY the privileged class of humans dejour will be without end, because we are deeply, intrinsically, irrevocably broken, cruel, and self-destructive.

Oh and this current conflict, here's further evidence we also refuse to learn even from recent, intimate, traumatic history. Everyone biding their time, waiting for their turn to punch down. A whole bunch of new cruel people, being cruel to some other people, who'll end up being cruel to them.

Then we dream of cooperating to a degree that we can develop a presence on other more hostile worlds, when we can't even consider peace on the only one, and an abundant one at that, perfectly suited to our biological needs. What a joke.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

"In other news, ice is cold"

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Rinse and repeat