I’m curious how many emissions these trash products have added, good riddance
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Marginal at best when everything is made elsewhere and requires fossil fuels for transport.
The land of "free market" is a joke lol
You can’t freely compete with near slave labor conditions and zero environmental regulations. . .
China makes the US look like the EU in comparison for those things.
No but it does show how much capitalism relies on the absolute exploitation of the labor market and the double-standards from the US in that regard. Free market good but only when US companies are the ones fucking everyone over.
- US companies buying cheap stuff from China and marking it up 500%: good, American values
- China cuts the middleman and sells the same product for the same price they would sell it to the reseller: noooooo we can't compete with that, China bad, it's so unfair! Waaaaaaa
At least the EU doesn't constantly brag about muh freedom and how the free market is the best thing ever and you're a commie if you don't agree that capitalism is the best.
Yeah pretty damning for how bad China is if that’s considered better.
A little older article regarding Foxconn, but should still be relevant.
Not that it helps that Apple and others are enablers of these practices.
arkansas' use of prison labor seems like it's trying to compete on the near slave labor front
Didn't workers make that exact argument when their good manufacturing jobs were being sent to poorer nations? Seems hypocritical that the government allows globalism to hurt the working class as long as it benefits the rich, but suddenly globalism is bad when it hurts the profit margins of our billionaires.
Whatever we understand by a 'free market', China must really not complain about a 'non-free' market policy not in the U.S. nor in most othrr countries. That would really be hypocritical.
Just stumpled upon that (video, 20 sec): https://infosec.exchange/@littlealex/113131659214334040
Just buy from China. It's cheap :-)
Addition:
Toxic substances found in Shein and Temu products -- (August 2024)
Women’s accessories sold by some of the world’s most popular online shopping firms contained toxic substances sometimes hundreds of times above acceptable levels, authorities in Seoul said yesterday.
Chinese giants including Shein, Temu and AliExpress have skyrocketed in popularity around the world in the past few years, offering a vast selection of trendy clothes and accessories at low prices.
Shoes from Shein were found to contain significantly high levels of phthalates — chemicals used to make plastics more flexible — with one pair 229 times above the legal limit.
“Phthalate-based plasticisers affect reproductive functions such as sperm count reduction, and can cause infertility and even premature birth,” an official from Seoul’s environmental health team told reporters.
One such chemical “is classified as a human carcinogen by the International Cancer Institute, so special care should be taken to avoid long-term contact with the human body,” the official said.
The article is longer, very interesting.
Did someone say we need supply chain transparency?
Bullshit! I wanna buy cheap fishing gear for a tenth of the cost at Dicks.
Better get some rods and reels en route before this goes into effect.
Just one example:
Report finds shein, temu fueled by slave labor in [China's] Xinjiang -- [archived]
The America First Policy Institute (AFPI) has released a report stating that leading fast fashion brands, Shein and Temu, are powered by "slave labor." The author of the report, Adam Savit, who is also the director of AFPI's China Policy Initiative, said that Uyghur Muslims and other ethnic minorities are subjected to forced labor in China's Xinjiang region, benefitting the Chinese Communist Party (CCP).
This is just one of many similar reports. I think we should always asking ourselves when buying cheap whether there are others who who pay the price, especially in.countries like China where there is no supply chain transparency.
[Edit typo.]
This predisposes that much more expensive one sold locally is not also the same model and manufactured in the same factory. When so much of what is sold at Amazon or Walmart originates from Alibaba or bulk orders from said factory, the only difference in the exploitation is if Bezos gets a cut on top.
Functionally, I think you’ll have a lot more luck pushing for and requiring supply chain transparency from the Amazons and Walmarts of the world, or directly using national economic and political pressure, than focusing on increasing the cost on the small market of people going direct to the source.
Admittedly though this is less true as it has become more widely known that Temu and the like have the same product selection as Amazon, and indeed that seems to be the actual reason this legislation has been proposed.
Nevertheless I can’t see the US government taking slightly more of a cut having much of an effect when most of the products which heavily involve Uyghur labor are meant for internal use or export to the third world. You would need to propose serious practical consequences for the leadership of the CCP and follow though on those consequences to force external end to a political project that’s popular domestically like this, or at least a very closely and precisely targeted BDS campaign, and not just continuing business as usual but with higher taxes.
My thing is that there's a minimum price for fairness, and then there's products that present themselves as being marked up for fairness that don't actually benefit the people a fair price should benefit. Your best bet is to do some research into what the minimum fair price something is, and then look for something that price from a local economy.
Unfortunately, this is next to impossible. The systems in place favor us never knowing where anything comes from, and the research tools we used to be able to use to find fair prices (internet search) have been broken for this purpose for nearly 10 years (not just AI bullshit, but all those SEO pay to play bullshit listicles that even infect real human driven testing processes like The Wirecutter and Gear Lab). I think there's even an argument to be made that AI is an intentional device to steer us into a digital dark age where finding real trustworthy information is nearly impossible.
Ya, I agree people should be getting a fair wage, I just don’t see how a tax on products sold more directly helps with that in this case. People will just shrug, say it’s still cheaper than the same model on Amazon, and buy it all the same. A company is always going to try and pay the lowest price they can while pocketing the rest, and the best you can typically do is help the workers bargain for more.
I mean things like BDS can work, but they have to be targeted very carefully and specifically to get a board of directors to take a specific action, and the wider the net you cast the more dilute it gets and the more likely companies will call it the cost of doing busines.
US condemnation of the system would probably also have a bit stronger effect if it wasn’t using the same system of minority prison labor farmed out to various companies and saying it’s perfectly ethical fine so long as the people you arrested on thin pretext for race get a few dollars an hour that they then spend right back at the prison.
Put another way, if the EU put the same import tax on products and companies that made things in Mississippi on us because of the general prevalence of undocumented black prison labor in the region, do you think that the we would suddenly change things?
Oh for sure. The solution isn't to raise the price of unfairly priced products, its to introduce the concept of accountability to the world
Buddy if I buy Panther Marten lures off Ali Express or from Dicks they come from the same factory in the same packaging at the same quality, but one costs $1.12 and the other $7.99.
It's being manufactured in China anyway, I'm just avoiding the beak wetting Dicks and Walmart do to pay their shareholders.
Plus it ain't like the US actually has any qualms with slave labor, just look at all the industries that take advantage of prison labor in the States.
This is why we need supply chain transparency and this game is over, buddy, and among the weakest points in this context is China.
I mean the transparency available in the US still hasn’t resulted in an end the same system of minority prison labor here at home.
But what about...
I’m not the one who said making China’s suppply chains as transparent as the US’s would end the system of using minorities as prison labor in Xinjiang, just the one who pointed out that the implementation of said transparency here on the same problem has not lead to the end of said practice.
Also terrible for the environment
This just political theater and domestic handouts. It will increase clothing prices for workings while doing nothing to alleviate their exploitation.
There is no ethical consumption under capitalism.