I kind of want to tell him that republicans who don't support trump don't understand their party.
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He wants to be in the Party That Cuts Taxes And Bombs Brown People, but not... you know... the Party That Tweets Rudely.
Or, you know, not the party that is openly authoritarian and anti-democracy. We don't have to like Kinzinger's politics, but let's not be fucking morons and misrepresent the reasons why he's turned against his own party. That's good for no one.
not the party that is openly authoritarian and anti-democracy
Its a two-party system. If you write off one of the parties, what kind of democracy do you even have left? Yeah, the liberals are all about a softer, gentler, more egalitarian form of drone strike / police state / economic shock doctrine. But moving towards the lesser of two evils still leaves you in Hell.
let’s not be fucking morons and misrepresent the reasons why he’s turned against his own party
He's turned against the party because they turned against him. Kritzenger was packed into the same district as Darin LaHood and chose to join the CNN talking heads parade rather than duke it out in a contested primary. Now he's got far more invested in the Beltway Anti-Trump media cohort than his old pro-Trump Illinois GOP constituency. This is a career move, not an ideological shift. FFS, the man was close friends with Mike Pence his entire political career. He would be perfectly happy endorsing his home state's brand of right-wing talk radio weirdo if Pence hadn't dripped out of the '24 primary months ago.
He's got an unrealistically high opinion of Christianity.
I was going to say... Has this rhetorical move ever convinced anyone of anything? I see Republicans pull it all the time on minority groups. "Uh, actually, all you black democrat voters are on a plantation and its not in your best interests to vote consistently for a single party." And then, when it comes time for the GOP to put up or shut up, the best candidates they can produce are Herman Cain and Tim Scott.
Meanwhile, you've got a bunch of Cafeteria Catholics from Rhode Island tut-tutting the Evangelicals down in Texas who have convinced themselves that the End of Days is right around the corner, because Donald Trump has fucked more children than your average priest. Nah, dude. That won't work any better than your boy Beto saying he's going to take everyone's guns. They're not listening to you any more than you're listening to Ben Shapiro call our California for hosting too many gay teen abortion parades.
The folks who pop off with these "By your own logic..." retorts are inevitably just preaching to their own choirs. That's before they get back to the import Congressional business of gutting public education and exporting another billion dollars of cluster bombs into the Middle East.
No. It hasn't, and it never will.
You can't shake a belief. You can change an idea, you can rationalize with opinions. But once it's a belief, nothing short of a world shattering hardship or literally putting them through the same treatment that you give to cult members is going to break them out of it.
These people have built a belief system that puts them at the top, no matter what branch of Christianity you're looking at, you're looking at the most righteous, the most correct, the most justified in their actions. If someone says to them "hey you've got it wrong" then clearly the only rational explanation is that no, you actually.
This isn't unique to Christianity, not by a long shot. Most religious systems do this. But Christianity is the unique problem we have.
This isn’t unique to Christianity, not by a long shot.
In order to believe that, you'd have to believe Christianity really was magic. Nah, its an ingrained feature of the human psyche. One reason why "get'm while they're young" is such an effective movement-building strategy.
But Christianity is the unique problem we have.
Even within the greater sphere of Christianity, there are plenty of people who hold very benign beliefs. Meanwhile, being not-Christian doesn't seem to spare you from the brain poisoning. Hell, within the atheist community, we've got more than a few freaks and weirdos, too. At some level, this is far more about a particular brand of western ideology - a fundamentally fascist bent in social organization - that effectively drives people insane.
Kinzinger doesn't understand their religion