If you own a vehicle that is not cheap and you can not afford to fix it something falls... you spend too much money on your vehicle.
this post was submitted on 20 Nov 2023
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edit: added 10 years
That would be the common thinking for people that budget when buying cars.
The difference is the cost to replace the battery pack on EVs, in this case Tesla may charge $15,000-25,000 to replace.
That is a major charge for a big component to replace, within 10 years of owning car when talking about vehicles.
Soon all electrical vehicles will have this same issue. You'll be spending $10K every 7-10 years replacing the battery, but you won't replace the vehicle itself.
You’ll be spending $10K every 7-10 years replacing the battery
They already last reliably more than ten years and should keep improving.
but you won’t replace the vehicle itself.
Why not? I just replaced my 7 year old vehicle with an EV. When I drove it again, it was really noticeable how the seats were worn, suspension loosened up, the rattles and squeaks, the dings and mars. The rest of the car ages too, plus technology keeps improving, so why would you expect people to keep EVs longer than they currently keep their vehicle?
To add to it, there will also be companies that will buy the used battery, so the outset cost of a new one won't be as painful.
For example, saw a good one that buys used car batteries and stacks them to make grid batteries.
Which is why BEVs aren't the future.
If we're updating the autodrive hardware that often, it might be worth it to up cycle every few generations. But one or two battery replacements might be worth it.
The Model Y uses a structural battery pack that can't be replaced. It forces the car to be recycled instead of repaired.
That's a consumer choice I suggest you don't make.
Yes, if electric cars keep being bought and public transportation stays the same.
Similar to hybrid costs it seems.
I think eventually electric vehicles will vehicles networked and operated by a public / private partnership where the need of a private vehicle is greatly diminished. You would just callup a vehicle for pickup and set the destination. Depending on the vehicle plan you subscribe to, the vehicle might have other passengers or be a private vehicle driven by a AI pilot. This program would offset the cost of batteries, remove the need for large parking lots, and make travel far more efficient.
You basically just reinvented the bus/taxi...
A modern take on it, yes. Someone far more people will use than buses or taxis.
That does seem to be the possible route we are going toward!
Comma AI and AI Pilot are really interesting stuff!
Thank you for explaining!
Probably 50 years from now, but joining say the COSTCO CAR CLUB or something really makes sense. Groceries delivered to your home as well as other shopping also makes sense. I see a future where owning a car is no longer required.
I leave the house like four times a month. Random times. Doctor appointments usually. Been thinking about getting a class 2 ebike. If my Costco membership got me access to a robocar? X miles a month per membership level? That'd be hella sweet.
That's until the AI goes rogue and starts killing people. Then you have to go on a mission to retrieve all the rogue vehicles.
Until? The robotaxi in San Francisco already has victims
I was making a cyberpunk 2077 reference, but most people seem to have missed it.
Hopefully they design a system which follows certain safety codes.