Lol talk about a rhetorical question. Israel just assassinated the political head of Hamas. This should serve as proof that that any talk of a deal or a ceasefire over the past six months has been a sham. This means months or even years of war and thousands of more deaths, which is what Netanyahu wanted all along, while the US argues weakly in support of Israel's "right to defend itself".
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Every week or two there’s a new ceasefire deal on the table and then Netanyahu says something to the tune of “but we’re not stopping until Hamas is gone”.
It seems that the negotiators don’t have the authority to negotiate for anything other than “you stop shooting now and we’ll stop shooting when you’re dead”.
Pretty much. Netanyahu never wanted a ceasefire to begin with. My guess is that any talk of a path to a two-state solution or a ceasefire has just been a stalling tactic used by the US to deal with any criticism of Israel's war crimes. I wonder how long the State Department can keep this charade going, quite honestly.
A slow but steady genocide seems to be the strategy
👨🚀🔫 Always has been.
Exactly. Anyone who looks at Israel's actions and thinks their goal is anything other than the complete conquest, annexation, and colonization of all Palestinian territory is blind or lying.
To be fair, I’d prefer they killed this guy than Gazan citizens.
“Footage from his office in the Qatari capital of Doha showed Haniyeh celebrating the Hamas-led October 7 attacks on Israel with other Hamas officials, before they prayed and praised God”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Ismail_Haniyeh?wprov=sfti1#Ismail_Haniyeh
Gee, ya think? The world is better off without Hamas, but to have Israel assassinate the leadership of a party it was negotiating with is obviously not conducive to good relations. They should have turned him over to the ICC instead. He was already wanted by the court: https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/statement-icc-prosecutor-karim-aa-khan-kc-applications-arrest-warrants-situation-state
From the statement:
On the basis of evidence collected and examined by my Office, I have reasonable grounds to believe that Yahya SINWAR (Head of the Islamic Resistance Movement (“Hamas”) in the Gaza Strip), Mohammed Diab Ibrahim AL-MASRI, more commonly known as DEIF (Commander-in-Chief of the military wing of Hamas, known as the Al-Qassam Brigades), and Ismail HANIYEH (Head of Hamas Political Bureau) bear criminal responsibility for the following war crimes and crimes against humanity committed on the territory of Israel and the State of Palestine (in the Gaza strip) from at least 7 October 2023:
- Extermination as a crime against humanity, contrary to article 7(1)(b) of the Rome Statute;
- Murder as a crime against humanity, contrary to article 7(1)(a), and as a war crime, contrary to article 8(2)(c)(i);
- Taking hostages as a war crime, contrary to article 8(2)(c)(iii);
- Rape and other acts of sexual violence as crimes against humanity, contrary to article 7(1)(g), and also as war crimes pursuant to article 8(2)(e)(vi) in the context of captivity;
- Torture as a crime against humanity, contrary to article 7(1)(f), and also as a war crime, contrary to article 8(2)(c)(i), in the context of captivity;
- Other inhumane acts as a crime against humanity, contrary to article 7(l)(k), in the context of captivity;
- Cruel treatment as a war crime contrary to article 8(2)(c)(i), in the context of captivity; and
- Outrages upon personal dignity as a war crime, contrary to article 8(2)(c)(ii), in the context of captivity.
Once israel stop the colonization, hamas will disappear
That is a naive view - it would take a sustained period of peace to grow beyond Hamas' current violent orientation.
I'm not saying it would happen in 1 day or a year if hamas refuse to drop arms like they are promising once palestine is free but without population support they can't exist forever
I agree with that - I was concerned your original statement implied it'd be a quick process but that sort of trust and stability take a while to build back up.
Hamas will disappear when Iran determines they're no longer useful
No amount of support from iran would save a hamas that don't have the population support.
Any outcome where Hamas was permitted to live after October 7th or to govern Gaza was never going to be acceptable, and Hamas was unlikely to ever concede this.
Anything less than the end of Hamas would have been a terrible outcome for all sides. They’d regroup, rearm, and in a few years’ time they’d attack again, more civilians would die, and people would start clutching their pearls and warning about ‘escalation’. And in the meantime, the Palestinians in Gaza would have had to endure their brutal rule.
Once Hamas has been sufficiently degraded, there’ll be some sort of regional coalition to rebuild Gaza with Saudi, Emirati and Kuwaiti involvement and US security guarantees, a deradicalisation process for the Palestinians there, and the construction of a civil bureaucracy. The international community will be pouring in financial assistance, except that this time it won’t be used to build hundreds of miles of terror dungeons.
The West Bank is a tougher nut to crack. But Israel will have to deal with the Hezbollah Jihadis first.
Why would you trust the country that give uncondtional support to israel and it's allies to gouvern gaza. Gaza would become like the west bank where the settlers would rules
Why would you trust the country that give uncondtional support to israel and it’s allies to gouvern gaza.
Israel has no interest in governing Gaza. It wants to maintain security measures but that's it.
The actual governing would be done by non-radicalised Palestinians alongside the Saudis, Emiratis and Kuwaitis, presumably some sort of council being formed and administration constructed from what remains of the civilian infrastructure of Hamas.
It is notoriously hard to find non-radicalized folks after repeatedly dropping bombs on their homes.
If that was genuinely Isreal's aim they would be limiting their intervention to targeted strikes or utilizing the Palestinian social apparatus to try and secure custody of the most extreme Hamas members... they'd also be rabidly going after any Isreali settlers threatening the peace process.
Genuinely trying to build a better civilian government (which is something I'm absolutely supportive of) looks a lot different than what we've been seeing.
IMO Netanyahu and most of his party don't really care if Palestinians live or die - they just want to make Gaza so inhospitable that they all flee as refugees so that Isreal can freely claim the land. With some very notable exceptions I think the preference is that no Palestinians die so that it doesn't look as bad on the international stage... though a few fucks literally want blood.
Your account is about 8 hours old (from when I made this comment), so I kind of just assume you’re trying to troll or rage-bait.
Any outcome where Hamas was permitted to live after October 7th or to govern Gaza was never going to be acceptable, and Hamas was unlikely to ever concede this.
7th October happens when you steal land and displace 750 000 people, murder along the way, create a apartheid state and humiliate a entire race. Hamas is a creation out of Israel’s actions. Israel is the core reason as to why there’s so much hatred and death.
Anything less than the end of Hamas would have been a terrible outcome for all sides. They’d regroup, rearm, and in a few years’ time they’d attack again, more civilians would die, and people would start clutching their pearls and warning about ‘escalation’. And in the meantime, the Palestinians in Gaza would have had to endure their brutal rule.
So you’re fine with Israel literally murdering, stealing land and humiliating Palestinian people. Apparently. However when these people literally fight back, it is suddenly wrong in your eyes.
Once Hamas has been sufficiently degraded, there’ll be some sort of regional coalition to rebuild Gaza with Saudi, Emirati and Kuwaiti involvement and US security guarantees, a deradicalisation process for the Palestinians there, and the construction of a civil bureaucracy. The international community will be pouring in financial assistance, except that this time it won’t be used to build hundreds of miles of terror dungeons.
Not true. Israel will never allow it. Their PM proudly boosted that he’s proud of not allowing a Palestinian state.
The West Bank is a tougher nut to crack. But Israel will have to deal with the Hezbollah Jihadis first.
You’ve proven to be an immensely Israel supporter and Zionist. You purposefully overlook Israel’s hateful behavior. A bit of history of your ''precious'' Israel:
Israel became an actual state in 1948 by displacing 750 000 Palestinian people and murdering many (men, women and children). Laying sieges, bombarding villages and population centers, setting fires to homes, properties and goods. Planting mines among the rubble to prevent any of the expelled people from returning (source: The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by ilan Pappé).
Hamas did not exist until 1987, they became an actual group only in 1987 because of all the horrifying things Israel had done from 1948 up until 1987. Which is approximately 40 years after what Israel had done to the Palestinian people.
You ought to learn about history and political matters before you even write or speak about these matters. You clearly have no knowledge about the state you are so hard trying to defend.
Since you’re a Zionist, I will finish this comment with a list of sources of Israel’s action and then block you. I don’t want to read zionists stuff, I know you can still comment but that won’t be my problem.
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Death toll in Israeli attack on displaced Palestinians in Rafah rises to 45.
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Israel prevents hundreds of worshippers from entering Al-Aqsa on first night of Ramadan.
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Israel's PM Netanyahu 'proud' of preventing establishment of a Palestinian state.
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Far-right minister says nuking Gaza an option, PM suspends him from cabinet meetings.
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Israel Defense Minister Calls Palestinians ‘Human Animals’ Amid Israeli Aggression.
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Video shows Israeli settler trying to take over Palestinian house.
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Hamas official says group would lay down its arms if an independent Palestinian state is established
This was added on Instagram yesterday, swipe to the left for the video with English subtitles;
EDIT: Corrected the links, added some more text.
OK
You don't think by perhaps, oh I don't know commiting genocide and killing thousands of innocent people this will just infact coerce another generation of Hamas recruits ?
Setback? If the Israeli government carries on like this they're going to start a regional war.
That's what Bibi wants, perpetual war so he's staying on power. Trump winning the election would also be a great boost as he's definitely willing to back Israel on a wider offensive war with Lebanon and Iran.
Compare this to the current Democrat government that told Israel no when they wanted to retaliate after Iran's retaliation.
That's basically what Zionism calls for. Not just Palestine but a greater israel spreading from Egypt to Jordan. Now they are even wearing badges of it in their uniform.