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Netanyahu really doesn't want these negotiations to come through, does he? How can he go to the hostage families and tell them he's gonna get their relatives back when he bombs the shit out of the country they're hidden in, has blown up and wanted to funnel sea water into the tunnels where they are most likely held (from an outsiders perspective) and now basically shot someone in the face across the negotiating table?
Tell me how that makes sense.
He wants the Palestinians "gone" - he doesn't care about anything else, certainly not the hostages. In fact having hostages allows him to "keep going".
The assassination threatened to unleash another wave of violence in the Middle East and upend the ongoing negotiations to end the war in Gaza. Mr. Haniyeh had been a top negotiator in the cease-fire talks.
The other Palestinian negotiators might just possibly take Israel blowing up the guy they're talking to as a sign that Israel is not negotiating in altogether good faith.
Well they're not negotiating with people who aren't terrorists....I don't think you understand what negotiations are or why they're necessary.
If you're taking the side of the Palestinians, you're a terrorist
We will not negotiate with terrorists
kills all the negotiators
Palestinians refuse to accept our peace deals. This just proves they're all terrorists.
That's some Hitman shit right there.
Certainly better than blowing up 100 innocent people to kill one guy who might not have been there anyway.
Certainly better than blowing up 100 innocent people
He was the lead diplomat negotiating a ceasefire in Gaza. They killed him in order to continue massacring innocent people.
TBH don't know which one would have been more embarressing for the Iranians. That the air defenses would have let an airstrike in Tehran or that they let the Israelis plant a bomb in a secured compound. Honestly I think this is worse for them.
embarressing for the Iranians
Hosting a diplomat and working to negotiate a ceasefire in Gaza is embarrassing.
Spending months, thousands of man-hours, and a fortune in high tech military equipment to kill the lead negotiator in a peace deal is uber cool and mega elite, just like in a video game, pew pew.
Nah, this is definitely worse. As much as they try Iranians are never going to have anything that resembles western technology, they will definitely have to pay the price for that if/when they try anything. This kinda internal betrayal though, this reveals them as the clowns they are selling out one of their most important allies to their nemesis.
I saw a military pundit say the opposite: this is planted by Iran for 2 reasons:
create paranoia to help crack down on society (e.g. "suspicious maids")
dismiss the idea that Israel is able to find out where and when to hit a target to the minute with extreme precision (through a window, which would look like a bomb exploded from the inside instead of just a maid planting a bomb) and possibly taking an f35-style stealth aircraft into Iranian airspace close to Tehran undetected.
Imagine the outrage if the Iranians returned the favor.
Israel needs to knock this shit off before they start something they can't finish.
Imagine the outrage if Hamas staged a raid on Israeli civilians or Hezbollah rocketed a Druze soccer game.
Imagine the outrage if Hamas staged a raid on Israeli civilians
You hardly have to imagine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%932019_Gaza_border_protests
The IDF responded by blowing off the kneecaps of entire families of raiders. Adult male raiders, raider wives, and raider children were stopped dead in their tracks.
Obviously, this is the only sane and rational response to such a vicious terrorist act. I'll be excited to hear Lemmy applaud the response. And the response to the response. And on and on and on, forever.
Fantastic. Fuck that guy. How many millions of Palestinians did he condemn to die with no hope or prosperity? Not any more.
How many millions of Palestinians did he condemn to die with no hope or prosperity?
He was the lead negotiator working towards a ceasefire. Netanyahu killed him to scuttle further talks.
The dude built tunnels under schools and hospitals. He didn't give one fuck about the people of Gaza.
The IDF puts hospitals next to military installations and forces everyone aged 18 to do military service where they end up abusing and killing Palestinians.
Guess that makes it okay to kill anyone in Israel, and you for supporting it, because ~~tunnels~~ military installations near civilian areas.
He didn’t give one fuck about the people of Gaza.
Fuck Hanieh. But also fuck you. It's not like you view Palestinians as human beings to start with.
With a shovel he stretched all the way from Iran?
C'mon that's you're argument? Ridiculous and uninformed take.
Right back at you.
This is Zionist fear mongering used to justify the assassination of a diplomat in pursuit of genocide.
And you're arguing he deserved to die because "tunnels".
"Diplomat." You have to be from a country to have diplomacs. Terrorists do not get to have countries because if they do, they tend to convert all of its resources and domestic capabilities into instrumentalities and fronts for illegal political violence.
Because "tunnels?"
No that's a simple-minded and reductive take that you're obviously not making any good faith.
Those tunnels represent a group of criminals who have plundered the wealth in future of what could be a beautiful country and instead converted it for their own personal gain, which happens to be killing Jews.
Every good thing Gaza has ever had has been corrupted by terrorists and repurposed to kill Jews. That's it. Simple as that.
Did have all the food and water they wanted right now if they didn't fuck up their airports and waterports by the ing them over to international terrorists with a singular purpose.
Well, I guess you could say it's two purposes, if exterminating the Jews is thought of as one purpose and installing a new Islamic caliphate seated in Ramallah to rule the world as a secondary one.
That's what you're defending, a dude who literally is responsible for making sure millions of Palestinians live and die without ever knowing hope or prosperity. For every boogeyman that you imagine is out here being happy that Palestinian kids are getting killed, nobody was happier to see kids die to Israeli bombs than this dude.
"Terrorists do not get to have countries because if they do, they tend to convert all of its resources and domestic capabilities into instrumentalities and fronts for illegal political violence."
I guess that means Hamas has every right to retaliate (according to your OWN definition and logic).
And of all the places where a caliphate could spring into life, the very fact that you chose to say "Ramallah" is a stark reminder that you know so little about Palestine or its demographic.
After all, we are not people to you 😊
Does this constitute Israeli terrorism? And will the international community move to condemn and sanction these acts?
Nope, I think this falls under the 'war' flavor, not terrorism.
oh wow. I did not even think like that. So its definatively and act of war in iran territory by israel!
Both Hezbollah and Iran are both at war with Israel and have vowed to destroy Israel many, many times.
I did not realize it was formally declared. Is it like korea then?
I may be mistaken. I've done some Googling. Wikipedia tells me that Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia and Yemen declared war on Israel when it was founded in 1947. It ended in an armistice (basically a cease fire). In later years, Algeria and Morocco attacked Israel along with others. In 1979, Egypt signed a peace treaty with Israel, it was the first country to do so. Jordan did so later, but I am not sure when. All of those other countries still are technically in a state of war against Israel. I don't see any mention of Iran being at war with Israel in the past, so I don't think Iran is technically at war with Israel.
yeah that is sorta big in that the reply that started this chain basically is saying if its war its war, but if not its terrorism. So if no state of war exists then it would be terrorism but of course the US hasn't been in a constitutionally declared war since ww2 but then congress has fromally sanctioned military action and then the war powers act allows some stuff with the president so there is at least some trail of formal action. But then we have the cia type of shit.
A lot of people in this sub don't seem to understand what the definition of terrorism is. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, it is the use of violence against civilians for political aims. Hamas is a paramilitary organization, let's just call it an army for ease of discussion. There is currently an actual shooting war going on (no cease fire) between Hamas and Israel. Members of an army's leadership are legitimate targets during times of war.
Now, attacking an army's leadership in a third country (I'm counting Gaza as country 1 and Israel as country 2 for this discussion) can have big, negative repercussions for the country that does the attacking in the 3rd country. However, this assumes country #3 is trying to remain neutral. Iran is anything but a neutral 3rd party in the conflict. They have armed and trained Hamas for decades as well as threatened to destroy Israel many, many times over 40 years. For Israel, there was no real downside to killing that Hamas leader in Iran.
ok so the civilian bombings are more terrorism then and the assassination not so much.
Yes, deliberately going after civilians when there is no nearby military target would be terrorism. Attacking a member of a military organization's chain of command is a legitimate target.
In that case, I guess killing another country's prime minister and chief diplomat is fine.
Even though the killing of the diplomat may have been legal, conducting an attack on the territory of a country not taking part in the conflict is typically not.
Countries usually don't like it when you conduct assassinations or acts of war on their territory.
Yep, don't disagree. But to some extent, Isreal already believes that it is in a war with Iran.
In that case they should go ahead and declare war, at least if they care about keeping a sliver of legitimacy around their illegal assassinations. Let's see how well that goes...
Israel is 100% reliant on the goodwill of the international community. They've been working double time to wear it thin the past year, I'm honestly starting to wonder how far they'll push it. Without international support, they're just another small Middle Eastern country than can be walked on by Iran/Egypt/Saudi Arabia/Whoever has the biggest stick...
Or to quote Nixon, it's not a crime when the president does it.