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[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

The article seems to use https://carnegieendowment.org/research/2024/06/ukraine-public-opinion-russia-war?lang=en as one of the sources suggesting support for negotiations is rising. But it seems to come to a completely different conclusion, e.g.

But further analysis and more targeted questioning shows that support for negotiations is largely theoretical. The share of Ukrainians who preferred seeking a compromise to end the war through negotiations fell from 43 percent in the yes or no question to 26 percent when respondents were asked to choose between negotiating with Russia and continuing to fight. Most Ukrainians who expressed openness to negotiate appeared to envision a scenario in which Kyiv was in a favorable enough position to demand the full withdrawal of Russian troops from Ukrainian territory, the prosecution of Russian officials for war crimes, reparations, and other conditions that are nonstarters for the Kremlin.

Interesting how the article seems to completely ignore this.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

US journalism is unreliable? Say it isn't so...

The entire principle of US journalism is to fill the zone with shit and have everyone sift through the shit to find their own independent nugget of truth.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Intetesting how the article still uses the claim from the source, without commenting at all why this particular figure that supports the narrative is correct, but the other, that does not support it, is incorrect? Why link to a source you know can't be trusted? Why not simply use a reliable source instead?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Great. When is Putin going to get diplomatic?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (11 children)

He literally put out a peace deal days ago that the west rejected.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (12 children)

The "deal" requires Ukraine to cede a colossal amount of territory before negotiations even begin. Even if the Ukrainian leadership was willing to give up all of that for peace, doing so here would not actually even buy them peace, only a start to negotiations that could collapse at any time. That's about as diplomatic an offer as Ukraine saying "pre-2014 borders and then we can talk."

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago (11 children)

The people living there don't want to be a part of a state that tried to ethnically cleanse them, surprise surprise.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (58 children)

From one of the sources cited in the article: https://carnegieendowment.org/research/2024/06/ukraine-public-opinion-russia-war?lang=en

Many Ukrainians may be open to negotiations in theory, but they overwhelmingly did not trust Russia to negotiate in good faith. Most Ukrainians (86 percent) believed that there is a medium or high risk that Russia will attack again even if there is a signed peace treaty, and even more (91 percent) believed that Russia’s motive to enter negotiations is to take time to prepare for a new attack. Even among those who supported negotiations with Russia, only 21 percent believed that signing a peace treaty would help Ukraine deter future Russian aggression.

Putin's problem is he burned all the trust the world had in him when he attacked Ukraine after saying he would not. If he is truly serious about peace, he first needs to rebuild that trust.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (34 children)

What kind of logic is that? He is the one who started the war, as well as he can end it any time.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (3 children)

The US started the war with the coup. This is just an open secret. Obama is on video admitting it. You're watching too much western propaganda.

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