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Let's get the AMAs kicked off on Lemmy, shall we.

Almost ten years ago now, I wrote RFC 7168, "Hypertext Coffeepot Control Protocol for Tea Efflux Appliances" which extends HTCPCP to handle tea brewing. Both Coffeepot Control Protocol and the tea-brewing extension are joke Internet Standards, and were released on Apr 1st (1998 and 2014). You may be familiar with HTTP error 418, "I'm a teapot"; this comes from the 1998 standard.

I'm giving a talk on the history of HTTP and HTCPCP at the WeAreDevelopers World Congress in Berlin later this month, and I need an FAQ section; AMA about the Internet and HTTP. Let's try this out!

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I’m actually going to that conference! What’s the title of your talk? I’ll be sure to attend it!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Excellent. I'm on Stage 4 on the Thursday afternoon: "Brewing Tea Over The Internet".

Should be fun times, see you there.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

You can unilaterally create another status code. What do you create?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Wasn't there a new HTTP action recently proposed for "This is a JSON RPC request that we've convinced ourselves is actually REST and we've been using POST and someone finally pointed out that that was stupid"?

Not a new status code but still vaguely amusing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I quite like the idea of HTTP 256 Binary Data Follows, which is just 200 OK but you asked for a non-text content type file.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Was RFC 7168 written with Captain Picard's tea Earl Gray, hot in mind? If not, are follow up modifications planned?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

What a fun AMA topic lol. I dont have a question, I'm just glad youre here, spreading the good gospel of your goofy internet standard

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

We're there any early internet standards you were super bullish on at the time that didn't get picked up? In retrospect, if it had been adopted do you think it would have had the impact you were hoping for

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

That's a tough one: most standards are codified as such because they're already seeing wide use. The major example of one that's been worked the other way around is IPv6: it's been a standard for a very long time, and still doesn't seem to be seeing adoption.

Of course, I wouldn't say I was bullish on IPv6. 32 bits is enough for anyone, right.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What's the funniest legitimate non-joke standardization detail you've come across?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I enjoy that the original draft for the Referer header spelled it wrong, and now we're all stuck with the typo forever...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Can someone elaborate on this please?

Edit: oh jeez. I'm so used to reading "referer" I didn't even realize it was a typo.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What's the process for submitting RFCs? And how do they pick which joke RFC they'll publish? That's a meeting I'd like to be a fly on the wall of

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

For "real" RFCs that aren't Apr 1st jokes, there's an independent submissions track for the public to write Internet-Drafts and then submit them into the review process.

With the joke RFCs, they get emailed straight to the editor at least two weeks beforehand. I'm not privy to the selection meeting, but I expect it's fun.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I've heard that the internet is a series of tubes.

Can you confirm?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I never understood the beef people had with that. The Internet is a series of tubes, of various widths and sizes, with inputs at random points in the stream.

Plumbing analogies are apt.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Is the internet still kept in Big Ben?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Yes, unless Jen needs to borrow it for a presentation.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I need an ELI5 for this I'm a stupid Gen Z

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I need one too and I'm a stupid Gen Y

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

As a late millennial and a programmer, I've got you.

So when you request a web page, before anything else, the server gives you a 3 digit status code.

100s means you asked for metadata

200s mean it went ok

300s means you need to go somewhere else (like for login, or because we moved things around)

400s mean you messed up

500s mean I messed up

So this is in the 400s. Each specific code means something - you've probably seen 404, which means you asked for a page that isn't there. And maybe 405, which means you're not allowed to see this

418 means you asked for coffee, but I'm a teapot

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I can't say enough how amazing your explanation was. Im not a programmer but I have worked on websites (self taught) and I never knew this. Thank you!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (5 children)

A new RFC for IPv7. It's just IPv4 with an extra octet. Yes or no?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I just found out about this on Brodie Robertson’s yt channel! I am not a teapot btw!!

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago

I just found out about this on Brodie Robertson’s yt channel! I am not a teapot btw!!

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 years ago

I am interested in writing a real RFC, what kind of mailing list etc should I join in order to make my RFC real?

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