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They're usually shredded alive almost immediately because they're seen as "waste" since they don't lay eggs

For some more context:

Why the egg industry 'shreds' baby chicks alive (NSFL)

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 4 months ago (5 children)

I have been seeing a lot of animal abuse posts on here lately. I hadn't noticed 196 being like that in the past on here or Reddit. Is there a trend toward that for this community in general? I'm well aware of how fucked the industry is, but I also don't sub to this community for that. I am here for little gay people shit posting in my phone. These just make me sad. I can't personally do anything to stop this. I don't want to unsub, and there's not a great way to filter, unless it's all the same OP? :(

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago (2 children)

You can go vegan and stop giving these people money

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago (2 children)

this won't stop the fact it'll keep happening and keep making people sad

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

But feeling guilty as well as sad would be even worse

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

vystopia isnt any fun either

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You sound like queer people in the 80s and 90s.

"What does it matter if one person accepts me? Won't change anything and it just bums me out."

Now, acceptance is the default position for most folk.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

as a queer person in the now I do not think this is comparable, at all.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Similar to recycling, the impact is small. There must be large systemic change. My adoption of a vegan diet, or my diligent recycling of aluminum and plastic, is a drop in the bucket.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Yeah, you should go vegan, and also post depressing memes on 196 that make all the carnists feel guilty. That'll have a bigger impact.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I can't personally do anything to stop this.

You can always upvote or share a post like this to spread awaraness and hence maybe make people buy less eggs, or at least make them pause to think before they buy their next eggs.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

Pretty sure it's mostly the one poster

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Don't they gender the eggs now? They just don't hatch the male ones.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago

AS far AS i know, there are experiments with identifying the gender in the egg, but it isn't practically usable on a big scale. I might be wrong, would love if someone knew more about this.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

I mean shredding males to nuggets is also financially viable.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

I mean shredding males to nuggets is also financially viable.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

That's only in industrial egg production. If you're a local farmer and you need to dispose of the males, your go to quick and painless option might be a potato sack or your hands.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Industrial egg production is the vast majority of egg production. Using the word only there is perhaps a bit misleading when for instance, 98.2% of US egg production is from factory farms [1]

I'm not sure one can call any of those methods painless either

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

The industry is slowly evolving away from it tho. I've seen "no chick killing" or something similar on labels in German shops.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/28/climate/chickens-egg-industry-humane.html

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

The technology for it that currently does not scale to higher egg consumption rather well among other potential problems

They have not yet tried to sell the technology to the US egg industry but, even if they did, the volume it can handle is currently too low for this technology to be used to get rid of chick culling across the board.

[…]

One issue that complicates these efforts is the difficult-to-answer question of when an embryo becomes a chick. Some researchers say day seven is when chick embryos can begin to experience pain. If that’s right, sexing the eggs eight to 10 days after incubation as Respeggt does, and 14 days as Agri-AT does, may still end up inflicting pain on the embryo, which could be trading one animal welfare problem — culling — for another

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/22374193/eggs-chickens-animal-welfare-culling

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

Culling unhatched eggs seems less cruel to me than culling <1 day hatchlings. Cute-bias, I know.

Seems to scale somewhat in Europe, talking many many millions of eggs per year too.

At least trying is better than nothing.

Not saying it's perfect, but tech is advancing thought it would be interesting to add that to this thread...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

That is because it got forbidden. They never would do something that lessens their profit without being forced to do it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

maybe, but you can’t feed a population on backyard farms. If everybody wants to eat eggs, there has to be a massive production, and it will be this kind of hell. The only logical way to prevent this is to stop treating animals as resources. We are perfectly able to feed with plants, we know how to get every necessary nutrient. Animal agriculture needs to stop, and if we’re truly leftists, we have to stand against any exploitation. How could we evolve as a society if we continue to use sentient beings as mere resources?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Chickens are domesticated to the point that they cannot survive in the wild / have no ecological niche. Without some small scale animal agriculture like backyard chickens they would go extinct, though you could argue it's for the best.

Personally I think small-scale egg farming is not exploitative when the chickens are treated well.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I raised mine to roosters. I got a grey cock, a brown cock, and the biggest is my black cock.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (2 children)

My wife wants to know your location

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

42069 Rooster Rock Way

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

34 wallaby way

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago

this has been your daily vegan post.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Never understood this. Why not raise the roosters for their meat and feathers and leave the hens for laying eggs?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

I suspect the optimized egg laying DNA is different from the huge breasted good tasting chicken meat DNA.

So the male born egg laying DNA chicks are unfortunately not useful to the farmers except for whatever they used the ground up remains for, which I suspect is probably feed or fertilizer.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I presume, like everything else wrong with Capitalism, it comes down to cost. It's more cost efficient somehow. I don't understand the details, because I'm not a chicken farmer, but I have been in the capitalism machine for a long, long time, and I'd bet a shitton of tax payer money that it's purely down to cost.

If it saves $0.02 per chicken, they'll gladly poison the rivers, oceans, lakes, etc. with refuse and baby chick corpses.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

In this case it's because if you raised them no-one would want to buy them. The egg laying breeds are a lot tougher and have a lot less meet than the ones bred for meat. They also cost more per amount of meat in the end.

The simple fact is that people don't want to buy that, so it'd just be wasteful to grow them out.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

The hens are bred for laying as much eggs as possible, on the cost of meat production. this means, that it isn't profitable to raise them, just to get some meat, when you can raise other chicken breads to get twice the amount of meat.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

I am guessing, only based on the fact that the immorally fast growing chickens only make a few more cents, that they are not profitable.

Also I am not sure if roosters can be kept together past a certain point maybe?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Dumb question maybe, but why not just let them get older and then eat them?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I had this same question, I learned "meat" chickens are called broiler chickens, they were bred to put on weight rapidly. Egg laying chickens are separate breed and grow slower or won't grow to the size of a broiler. The industry is limited by containment footage, so they wouldn't use a male egg laying chick where they could house a broiler.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

This is really unfortunate. I see the size of chicken breasts these days, and it's silly. Our society is very wasteful.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

The industry kills them right away because they're not selectively breeded to grow as fast as broilers do. Egg laying chicken have been selectively bred to lay high quantities of eggs instead

Due to modern selective breeding, laying hen strains differ from meat production strains (broilers).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chick_culling

As an aside, in both cases, the selective breeding has led to all kinds of health issues for these birds. Broilers can hardly walk due to being fast-growing. Egg laying chickens have all kind of bone health problems due to producing lots of eggs (takes a lot of calcium to produce an egg shell)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

Roosters are very aggressive and territorial and wouldn't just chill with homies.

plus Cock Meat is an awkward marketing phrase for some.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

They're totally different breed designed to lay as much eggs as physically possible compared to broilers that are designed to grow edible muscle as much and as fast as possible.

More info here.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Because we like big chicken breasts and we cannot lie.

(Male chickens of egg-laying breeds don't have as much meat, and also the males left together often compete and can try to kill each other. You'd want around a dozen hens per rooster, compared to roughly 1:1 that would come out naturally with eggs, and have enough space for each to call their own).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'd think they could genetically engineer the egg layers to only produce males in certain conditions (such as when they're incubated at a higher temperature), then only breed males when they need more roosters.

OR, if sex is selected by sperm type (as with humans) artificially inseminate the hens.

I suspect there are dozens of valid technical solutions that are cost effective and would allow them to not shred male chicks.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

They don’t scale super well at the moment. See my comment elsewhere about just that

https://lemmy.ml/comment/11760500

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Chicken egg farmers sell eggs.

They don't hatch those eggs.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

To shreds you say? How's his mother holding up?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Did they use the chickens for something? I guess cat food or something like that would be useful.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Lil' nuggets => McNuggets

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