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[–] [email protected] 80 points 1 year ago (131 children)

Lemmy has some very aggressive communists.

I’ve been lucky enough to dodge the crazy right wingers though.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago (57 children)

thinkin-lenin i wonder if maybe not having right wingers has something to do with having aggressive communists to run hem off.

No. It must be lib magic

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I’m fine with the lesser of two evils.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thats a real self own. Do you think you voted away the "greater evil", or libs did anything to make them go away?

You are the lesser evil. And we're not fine with you.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

I'm not your buddy lib. Why would i be your buddy when you think I'm comparable to a fascist?

I'm supposed to trip over myself to be civil to you when you call us the "lesser evil" to fascism?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Damn, we found their trigger word! Lesser evil! LESSER EVIL!

It's funny how hypocritical you are right now, too. You wanna label "liberals" as fascist, but get all pissy when the same happens to you with the same amount of credibility.

What's funny is that you lot all seem to fail to realize that "Liberalism" is not inherently left or right wing, unless you are a reductionist who doesn't believe that social liberalism exists and only believe Classic Liberalism exists. You all talk big about your political knowledge and how nuanced your beliefs are, and then you fall victim to the classic conservative notion of reductionism. Seeing "lib" used as an insult around here is just as hilariously pathetic as all the "snowflake" shit

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

trigger word

It's funny how

What's funny is

Terminal reddit brained response smuglord

I never called a lib a fascist. Liberalism is inherently right wing because its the ideology of capitalism. I understand that there's distinctions between different types of liberals, and between them and fascists. I did call libs like you and the other poster, to use their phrase "the lesser evil" because you support capital but arent fascists.

If you don't like being lumped in with other right wing tendencies then stop supporting capital. Its not our fault that reality is marxist che-si

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I enjoyed the whiplash from screaming a taunt at you like the most obnoxious kid on the playground into that detached passive aggressive mode.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

And then they broke out the logic pedant terms

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Why are you lot so obsessed with reddit? Can't you leave that place behind? I mean, haven't you ever thought that people on reddit talk the way they do because its how most people online in general talk? Reddit didn't invent linguistic trope. I digress.

And what makes you think I am a libertarian? What makes you think I support capitalism? Just because I don't directly support your exact ideology doesn't mean you get to straw man the criticism away. You and your ilk with that and ad hominem, or some other fallacy. Never able to directly hold an argument on it's own merits. It's fuckin hilarious lmao

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Why are you lot so obsessed with reddit? Can't you leave that place behind?

Can you blame people for being reminded of Reddit when you and your posts reek of Reddit?

I digress.

You and your ilk

ad hominem

Pretentious shit like that is the stench of Reddit.

And what makes you think I am a libertarian?

So far you've claimed not to be a liberal and not to be a libertarian, so if you're one of those very tiresome "I have no political ideology" bullshit artists trying to dodge labels to seem extra enlightened, as seems to be the case, that's actually a move that has overlap with both.

It's fuckin hilarious lmao

You like it that

It's funny that

It's ironic that

It's interesting that

Reddit minded people like yourself keep trying to mask their rage behind such tiresome "totally not mad" sentence fillers.

You and your ilk

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lmao, you are one to talk about being pretentious. Hypocrisy is definitely your watchword.

Also, dont know why my comment said libertarian, definitely meant to write liberal and my shit must have autocorrected. I definitely have a political ideology, and its democratic socialism, which staunchly criticizes Marxist-leninist ideology. Like I said before, I dont agree with your philosophy but that doesnt make me a liberal or right-wing or anything. We agree on a lot of fundamental ideals, but theres a lot of disconnect, too.

I know you folk always have a "you're with me or you're against me" attitude, which makes sense considering your authoritarian nature. I think its just fun how easy it is to set you off. I mean, I can leave one half-baked comment and you guys swarm like vultures! I can see how the gish gallop is so successful.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So you're one of those people that only support socialists who lose. Not a lot of room to talk about hypocrisy then, that's your whole ideology. Makes sense you're also into using logic pedant terms

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What are you even talking about? This is the least comprehensible comment I've seen here. Everything you've said here has nothing to do with anything I've said; it's the trifecta of straw man, non sequitur, and red herring. And using terms for logical argumentation doesn't make me pedantic, it makes me able to precisely detail why and how your logic doesn't work. I can see why you are afraid of that.

And, predictably, when all else fails, you basically resort to "no u"

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You non-sequitur-ed, you double straw man-ed, you red herring-ed. Its not pedantic unless its from the pedant region of France. This is just sparkling smugness.

Ipso facto absurdeum, Checkmate tankie smuglord

I'm sorry that you couldn't comprehend my post, i was being pretty clear. You're one of those western left anti-communists. You dont support actually existing socialist states. You think the men and women of the world who have fought revolutions and built real world socialist projects did it, or are doing it wrong. People like that usually have admiration for socialists who failed to bring a project into the real world, where their actions could be critiqued, where mistakes can happen and be visible, because only projects that aren't real can live up to your idealist vision of socialism.

Mocking you for logic pedantry, and reddit debate bro bullshit to be fair is technically unrelated from your "ideology." But there's an obvious connection to how people who don't find actual real world socialist projects worth supporting would also be into flinging thise terms around like anyone outside of online debate perverts would care

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Damn, that's a lot of wrong assumptions about me you just made. I can see that you lack the intelligence to actually see that I never really said much about my own ideology, so basically anything that you just tried to claim about me was pulled deep from inside your anus, and is objectively wrong. For the most part I actually support even communist states, but my main criticism with actual communist states is their authoritarianism, made easy by the inherent totalitarianism of communism.

Big problem with your criticism tho: there aren't any true socialist states that exist today. There aren't any states that have successfully fully implemented a socialist society today. A society where the actual individual workers own and control all the means of production, where all basic needs are met, and people are guaranteed the right to their freedoms. I absolutely support and laud the people out there working to achieve those goals. I don't think any state will ever be able to perfectly achieve those goals, so I don't expect perfection out of my fellow socialists. I do expect the abolition of the class, however, and that has never really even been close to being achieved. Not for a lack of trying, but because there is always some asshole who wants to be above others, and they have been very good at fucking things up for the rest of us.

And, you know, that gets me thinking... this whole conversation is exactly what capitalists want; infighting. You think I'm not radical enough for you, so you then label me as completely opposed to you. The problem is, I can guarantee we share a great many ideals, but you are too busy gatekeeping to allow others with slightly different but reconcilable ideals to be allies.

That is, of course, if I suspend my disbelief that you are a capitalist troll who is spitting vitriol, trying to make communists look belligerent and inhospitable.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your explanation of your beliefs just proved me right. My thoughts about you didn't come from my ass they honestly came from Michael Parenti Black Shirts and Reds

All governments are authoritarian, its a useless word. I didn't make that up either. Its from Engels On Authority

Totalitarian is a bullshit concept invented during the Cold War to conflate fascism with communism, similar to double genocide theory, to use against communist states. To say its inherent to communism is like saying killing 10 gorillion dead, Vuvvezzuula, no food, no iphone, is inherent to communism.

You believe these things because you're a left anti-communist. You can say that you arent, and then continue to describe to us all the ways that you are again if you want.

And, you know, that gets me thinking... smuglord

No, no it hasn't gotten you thinking. If we share values, then why do you attack us. There's more than once where you've popped off saying something weird directed at us. If you think our differences are reconcilable, why not lead with that?

Instead you started with TRIGGER WORD, and some comment about us being the same as fascists by saying we're like Hannah Montana or something. Then you dicked around flinging out your straw mans and ad hominems and no true scotsmans instead of telling us about your ideology or making a real critique about ours.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Lmao I thought you wanted to move this discussion to your safe space, but your coward moderators banned me for literally just engaging with you. You guys are so fragile it's hilarious. Carbon copy of The_Donald cosplaying as revolutonaries.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

I can see that you lack the intelligence to actually see that I never really said much about my own ideology,

reddit-logo so-true reddit-logo so-true

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

And, you know, that gets me thinking... this whole conversation is exactly what capitalists want; infighting. You think I'm not radical enough for you, so you then label me as completely opposed to you. The problem is, I can guarantee we share a great many ideals, but you are too busy gatekeeping to allow others with slightly different but reconcilable ideals to be allies.

Gatekeeping? That was always the issue I had with "democratic" socialists who have us-foreign-policy positions, but insist that they're the 'democratic' ones because they want to make sure the slaveowners keep getting a vote (and continue existing).

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

If I'm a liberal, that would make you a turbo liberal. You guys keep throwing that word around, I'm not sure you even know what it means at this point. What kind of liberal wants total worker ownership and control of production? That is antithetical to the free enterprise fundamentals of liberalism.

If you oppose my actual beliefs (not the ones you made up and assumed based off of nothing) then you oppose your own beliefs, as Marx himself believed that a socialist state was required to be implemented before it could serve its purpose and wither away. If you oppose the implementation of socialism, you oppose communism. I merely suggest we implement socialism and go from there, see where things lead us. I don't think the state would ever be able to wither away, as there will always be some need to facilitate the regulations decided upon, and we are long past the scales of community that allow that to happen autonomously. Apparently that's such a radical notion that it makes me liberal. You guys are trying so hard to shift the Overton window, but the window has to at LEAST stay on the wall. You can't shift left further left than you guys are, so just because someone isn't ALL THE WAY left, doesnt mean that they are on the right.

Not that you guys are capable of arguing in good faith, anyways.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

You really think you did something here with that wall of cringe text

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Remind me what happened with Allende yesterday in 1973, and what happened to the Indonesian communists?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You straw mann-ed, you ad hominem-ed, you no true scotsmann-ed, then you mot and bailey-ed smuglord

Checkmate to you and your ilk tankie. And its hilarious, btw lol, lmao even rage-cry

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Stop digressing.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

blown the fuck out, nerd

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

social liberalism

he-laughed

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

trigger word

Way to drop that mask, chud.

Are you still mad about Anita Sarkeesian's videos, too? frothingfash

What's funny is

It's funny that

it's ironic that

you like it that

it's interesting that

enraged liberals try to mask their rage behind passive aggressive openers like that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Who the fuck is anita sarkeesian?

And what makes you think I'm a liberal?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

Who the fuck is anita sarkeesian?

Literally who, amirite freeze-gamer

And what makes you think I'm a liberal?

Everything you have posted so far, liberal. LIB

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This is their fourth attempt at this comment

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

michael-laugh i know! I can't help but wonder what were in the discarded drafts

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

You know what I'll take it

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