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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

One was put in place by nato after they realized they couldn’t just carve it up

Oh my sides I dare you to say that in Russia. Bring a stopwatch so you can time how long it takes for you to arrive in a prison camp in Siberia. The FSB doesn't suffer that kind of talk, "Russia is controlled by its enemies" (from their POV. In reality Russia has exactly one enemy: Itself).

this absolutely avoidable

Absolutely avoidable, true: Russia could stop being imperialist and, for a change, and harkening back to Lenin's times, focus on developing itself. Like Ukraine did. Which is why the Siloviki in Russia can't have that happen, it sets a bad precedent for a culturally related people to gets its shit in order, people actually getting what they want, being better off, all that kind of stuff.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Okay first things first, I never said Russia was controlled by its enemies, second:

This isn’t about my views on geopolitics, it’s about ohs you need to stop defending Nazis. Do that and we can have a wide ranging conversation about any number of topics.

But first, stop defending Nazis!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

Okay first things first, I never said Russia was controlled by its enemies,

Explain that to the FSB officer.

But first, stop defending Nazis!

I never defended Nazis, and you have yet to make an argument that doesn't bog down to "I hate that /u/barsoap is right about symbols". It's you who's trivialising the term.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’m not trivializing anything.

You are saying that azov battalion using the wolfsangel is not a nazi symbol.

It’s a defense of Nazis because you’re providing cover for the spread of their ideology. You need to stop defending Nazis.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ok you've got me. Now show me where Azov is spreading Nazi ideology. Post-2015. I'm waiting.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What would you call wearing and waving a Nazi symbol?

Stop defending Nazis!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not a Nazi symbol. Are Motorhead fans Nazis because they wear Iron Crosses?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What’s not a Nazi symbol, the wolfsangel (which you agreed was a Nazi symbol in the context of a right wing militia just a few days ago) or the black sun (whose removal you claimed was semiotic denazification enough)?

Instead of making me dredge up terrible things you’ve said, why not just stop defending Nazis?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Azov isn't a Nazi org any more, thus the Wolfsangel is fine. Because there was more than semiotic denazification. You also can't be publicly/actively racist or homophobic and whatever inside Azov Ukraine really cracked down on associated politics as a whole. As said: If Azov was still a Nazi org, why did so many Nazis leave?

And are you seriously asking whether the black sun is a Nazi symbol. The SS used it in an esoteric context, the only other use I'm aware of is use esotericists using it as a specific symbol of evil, "a nightmare that feels like paradise while you're asleep", but that's an obscure corner of an obscure corner. Also, based as fuck.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Of course I’m not asking. I’m responding to your assertion that after 2015 azov wasn’t spreading nazism. They clearly were both incubating and spreading it during that time. I chose the example most apropos to our discussion and brought up their semiotics. You said it (without specification) wasn’t a nazi symbol and I asked which of the two nazi symbols wasn’t one.

So, stop providing cover for the spread of Nazism. Stop defending Nazis.

Now how many Nazis can a group have before the wolfsangel is a problem? We agree that Nazis use it as a dogwhistle, we agree that in the context of a far right militia it’s clearly Nazi imagery. Is it half? If your group is half Nazis you get a pass? One quarter? One singular Nazi? I’d argue that since the context is a far right militia that just fucking last year claimed to have “denazified” the number is zero. You can’t use the same imagery you used last year to appeal to Nazis and credibly claim that it’s different now.

I say that because I’m not gullible and I don’t defend Nazis.

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