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From the guy's own mouth.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (16 children)

The closest thing to the lie you wrote is the part where it says Putin demanded that NATO stop recognizing Ukraine as a sovereign country. So he's invading Ukraine because NATO didn't allow him to annex Ukraine Anschluss and annexation of Sudetenland style. And if you think that would help, remember that appeasing Putin over Georgia and, effectively, over Crimea and Donbass didn't do shit to stop his aggression.

Besides the document implies what was already obvious, which is that, before the war, Ukraine wasn't even going to be allowed into NATO any time soon, NATO countries just couldn't sign an agreement that would limit Ukraine's sovereignty.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago (15 children)

What is the fascination with historically illiterate liberals trying to equate everything they don't like to Hitler?

Putin invaded Ukraine, because he doesn't want nukes 800 km from Moscow. If you don't understand this, you don't understand what is happening here.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

"Everyone around me is arming themselves. Better stab the one that hasn't got a weapon because I agreed to defend them a while back. That'll fix it."

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Invading a non-NATO country does not do anything whatsoever to counter NATO presence near Russia. Russia has already had a land border with NATO for twenty years. Thanks to Finland joining it also just got a lot bigger, because funnily enough if Russia starts throwing its weight around everyone else is going to look for security from Russia. This reasoning doesn't even explain Russia's invasion, never mind justify it

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are you pretending that Ukraine did not apply for NATO membership, or that NATO stated they were planning to place nukes there (which we only learned because Ukraine was cheering it on Twitter)?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I'm not pretending anything. I'm saying that even if Russia fully annexed Ukraine in 24 hours flat, it wouldn't move NATO's borders any further away from Russia.

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