this post was submitted on 29 Mar 2025
65 points (94.5% liked)

Linux

52683 readers
810 users here now

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Linux is a family of open source Unix-like operating systems based on the Linux kernel, an operating system kernel first released on September 17, 1991 by Linus Torvalds. Linux is typically packaged in a Linux distribution (or distro for short).

Distributions include the Linux kernel and supporting system software and libraries, many of which are provided by the GNU Project. Many Linux distributions use the word "Linux" in their name, but the Free Software Foundation uses the name GNU/Linux to emphasize the importance of GNU software, causing some controversy.

Rules

Related Communities

Community icon by Alpár-Etele Méder, licensed under CC BY 3.0

founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
 

Hi all!

I recently installed Tuxedo OS with KDE and Wayland. I'm fairly new to Linux and, so far, the distro is great. With one caveat.

As far as power options go, everything works fine EXCEPT for Sleep. I can put the PC to sleep, but when I wake it up, I land on the login screen wallpaper with the login/password fields barely visible, as if frozen around the second frame of a fade-in animation.

Nothing works. The mouse cursor doesn't move, the keyboard doesn't do anything. The only way out of this state is to hold the power button until the PC shuts down and then turn it back on again.

I did some digging, but couldn't find a solution. Some threads mentioned modifying something in systemd, but those were from years ago, so I didn't want to risk that.

One fairly recent thread had a proposed solution of adding "mem_sleep_default=deep" to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT in /etc/default/grub.

That didn't work for me, though.

I'd love to fix this, but I'm out of ideas. Any help welcome!

EDIT

Forgot it might be a driver issue, people were complaining about Nvidia gear!

I currently don't have a dedicated GPU. I only have Ryzen 7 7800X3D running on MSI B650 Gaming Plus WIFI ATX AM5 MoBo.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Did you nuke your Tuxedo OS install? It would have been better to, at least, have a look at system logs to see if there's anything there.

What problems exactly did you have with Kubuntu?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Did you nuke your Tuxedo OS install?

No, I'm still running it. Other than Sleep, everything else works mostly fine. Just the regular "linuxiness" here and there that's either easy to sort out, or easy to ignore.

What problems exactly did you have with Kubuntu?

Wow, that's a whole list... :D

On my laptop, I had zero touchpad gestures. Once I switched from X11 to Wayland I managed to get Firefox to handle pinch-to-zoom and forward/back, but nothing else and in no other application.

Bluetooth drivers were crap, made my $300 headphones sound like $10 headphones.

I accidentally set the wrong keyboard language during installation, changed it without any issues after signing in... But to this day that previous layout pops up on the login screen. The only advice I found online required quite heavy Terminal "hacking"... and didn't work anyway.

Updates are all over the place. They're coming in constantly, practically every day, often requiring a reboot. It also doesn't install any updates on its own, so even if there are smaller, security updates that don't require a reboot, you have to manually click through the notification and apply them. There was supposed to be another "hack" that makes it apply updates automatically, but it doesn't work.

I recently connected my Linux laptop to an external screen. All good, but... The login screen was displayed on both monitors. I clicked the login field on the external screen, started typing and nothing happened. Fiddled with that for a bit before, just out of curiosity, trying again, but this time fully on the laptop screen. Worked like a charm, zero issues.

That was the laptop. Then on my PC, I suddenly realised that I have not application menu (the one with "File", "View", "Edit", etc.). Just gone. Wasn't able to restore it.

Also, my secondary SSD would not stay mounted. Any time I rebooted, it was just gone - and that was a problem for me because I had my Steam library there and wanted to have Steam auto-starting on logon. That I was able to fix by editing fstab, but was still super annoying.

The move to Tuxedo OS was very smooth. Almost everything worked out of the box (still had to do the fstab bit), the Bluetoot driver is MUCH better, updates are more controlled. It's just this bloody Sleep feature that doesn't work. :D

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Hmm, let me clarify some of the challenges you had.

Lack of touchpad gestures is due X11. It simply does not support anything you may be used to from Windows or macOS. X11 is currently regarded as a legacy display system due it's lack of modern features (such as VR, VRR and HDR) and security issues. Firefox supports your typical Wayland gestures since it is one of the few apps implementing new Linux features properly. On Windows and macOS you are locked down to a particular windowing system, so applications can expect such features being available on every single system reliably. The number of choices Linux presents to its users is also the greatest weakness of it, in my opinion. Wayland is still relatively new in most used distributions and I expect things to get better in the next five years.

Majority of the drivers are baked into the kernel on Linux. Without knowing the version of Kubuntu you were using, it is hard to judge why Tuxedo OS played better with your headphones. I am using Sony WH-1000XM5 on Fedora with kernel 6.13 and works perfectly.

Regarding updates: almost every package on nearly every Linux distro (except the kernel) can be updated without rebooting. It is just that Ubuntu (Kubuntu is just Ubuntu with KDE Plasma desktop) is configured to apply updates at reboot to minimize any breakages. So is Fedora that I am using and I really like it. You can update the system through a terminal if you want to do so without rebooting.

The login issue you encountered is due to SDDM - login manager used by KDE Plasma. KDE is planning to replace it with something they develop themselves.

I don't really understand this one. Did the toolbar just disappear from all apps? They usually do that when you add a global menu widget to your desktop, but shouldn't otherwise.

Automatic mounting of drives is done easiest through editing the /etc/fstab file in Linux. I am not aware any other methods that are more user-friendly.

Unless you have a specific reason for using Tuxedo OS, I would highly recommend Fedora with KDE Plasma desktop environment. Tuxedo OS is still pretty niche and targets Tuxedo's (the company) own laptops. Fedora has much larger user base so issues like this are solved faster. It also ships with the latest versions of the kernel, so you'll have less driver issues.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

(K)Ubuntu is configured to apply updates at reboot to minimize any breakages

That's the problem - it never did apply the updates. I even tested that by manually telling it to download them all and then rebooting once they were all ready to install. I had to re-download them all after logging back in.

I also noticed that one account was always getting app updates while OS updates were ONLY showing up for the primary account,

I get how this may be "by design", but it's an infuriating design. :D

Did the toolbar just disappear from all apps?

Correct. It was just not there. I was able to add the Global Toolbar widget and get a "Mac-like" experience, or add it as a hamburger button on the titlebar, but that's it.

Automatic mounting of drives is done easiest through editing the /etc/fstab file in Linux. I am not aware any other methods that are more user-friendly

Which is also extremely bad design, if you ask me. For removable drives - sure, why not. But if it's a bloody NVMe sitting on the motherboard? Also: there just should be a prompt going "do you want to auto-mount this" the moment the user mounts it through Dolphin for the first time.

Unless you have a specific reason for using Tuxedo OS, I would highly recommend Fedora with KDE Plasma desktop environment

As of right now, I'm having a great time with Tuxedo OS - other than the Sleep function not working, everything else is smooth sailing. I don't want to use Fedora, because I'm more familiar (if still barely) with the Debian Linux family.

It also ships with the latest versions of the kernel, so you’ll have less driver issues.

Is there an easy way to check the kernel version I'm running vs the latest available?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

Most graphical system updaters (e.g Discover) use packagekit instead of calling on apt directly. This may lead to them having conflicting list of upgradable packages. Updating through either way will eventually refresh the cache and things will go back to normal.

I have never had to share a computer with other people, so can't really comment on that.

I did try messing around with my Plasma desktop to try and replicate that, but did not find that option. Though, I am sure that's configurable and you changed it accidentally. You should ask around KDE forums about that.

I understand your frustration as an end-user, coming from other operating systems. But, you should keep in mind that Linux is just the kernel and it was made to be as modular as possible. Since you can use it with many different desktops, there needs to be a common way apps from those desktops can perform this. I believe Gnome can do this graphically through its Disks utility, which just edits the /etc/fstab file in the background. ~~You could request this feature from the KDE developers though.~~

Edit: sorry, I now remember KDE Partition Manager and it can do the same, like Gnome Disks.

Since you are new to Linux, the differences Fedora and Ubuntu will have for you will come down to the package manager (dnf vs. apt), and since you prefer to update your system graphically, you shouldn't notice any difference.

You can find your kernel version by searching "About this System" in KDE Plasma, or using the following command:

$ uname -r

The latest version of the kernel can be found in the official website of the Linux kernel.