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Quote: "We must teach Israel a lesson, and we will do it again and again. The Al-Aqsa Deluge [the name Hamas gave its 7 October onslaught - ed.] is just the first time, and there will be a second, a third, a fourth. Will we have to pay a price? Yes, and we are ready to pay it. We are called a nation of martyrs, and we are proud to sacrifice martyrs."

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (63 children)

It is mind-blowing that people defend these monsters.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

Not really.

Go back in time. Hamas was originally created in 1987 to fight for Palestinian lives and rights - because Israel government kept oppressing and murdering (men, women and children).

Whenever Palestinians would do anything back, they would get oppressed real quick (probably violently?).

If peaceful revolution is not possible, violent revolution is inevitable.

What do you expect Palestinians and Hamas to do - sit tight and die?

EDIT: Seeing your other comments to people and calling some “tankies”, just shown me that it is if no use to actually discuss/ argue with you.

So I will only leave it with this comment.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You are outright lying. In the first few paragraphs of Hamas' founding document, it clearly calls for the "obliteration" of the state of Israel. It's about genocide against Israel, not "Palestinian lives and rights".

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

People tend to forget that one of the key justifications for Hamas splitting off as a distinct organization was that they felt their former parent organization was not supportive enough of open violence against Israel. Also important to note, the initial charter classifies diplomatic solutions as a waste of time and war as the only possible answer.

Per your genocide comment, I'm guessing you're talking about the hadith advocating that Judgement Day will not come until they have killed all Jewish people everywhere. It's very rough, but do want to note that there is a much later statement indicating the possibility of living in peace with other faiths as long as they are never ever challenged. But... this is also sandwiched between a call for everyone to join them in jihad and a callout to a document with questionable provenance detailing a plot for the jewish people to take over the world.

Anyone can read the whole charter online, obviously translation bias is a thing, but the translations I've seen out there are very harsh. There are items in there about 'Palestinian Lives and Rights', they've got notes codifying the status of women as lesser and taking jabs at anyone advocating for women as doing it just to make them look bad. There are a few random items in there that do look harmless at first glance, I'd encourage everyone to at least take a look through it, it's not very long.

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