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U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken is warning Israel that it risks destroying an eventual possibility for peace unless it acts swiftly to improve humanitarian conditions in Gaza for Palestinian civilians as it intensifies its war against Hamas.

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[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (10 children)

I believe Israel because I've worked with them and seen these things myself. I also know information war and Israel is bound by the constraints of a Western Democratic approach whereas Hamas is not.

One is inherently more trustworthy and you can validate it quite simply based on how quickly they lay blame. Israel checks with their force to validate information and protects it's information sources. Hamas simply immediately claims that every militant was a civilian, every explosion was an airstrike, and only walks it back when people get called out by name as dead.

Any military force is not perfect. War crimes happen in any force with Soldiers on the ground. Israel's targeting provides multiple sources of validation and checks to ensure there is a legitimate target before conducting a strike and they can take civilian considerations into account. Soldiers on the ground do not have that same level of control inherently. Hamas includes targeting civilians in their orders though so there is that.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (6 children)

@galloog1 Also Israel doesn't check shit. As they're using air dropped bombs inside a densely packed civilian population . Every fatality, every casualty is intentional. Worse haven't seen a lot of armed dead Gaza citizens, we HAVE seen a lot of dead unarmed ones

Don't lie you'll be caught

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (5 children)

No competant military force on earth would show pictures of their own dead militants. They control the ground. Don't be dumb.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@galloog1 Israel has plenty of assets they can use to bolster their case

Yet, nothing. Hell they're so fucking terrible that the Jenin camp they committed an atrocity in, they don't even know they got the person they were aiming for.

They literally bombed a refugee camp and did not know if they got the target or not. What the fuck?!

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

All of that does not make it an illegitimate target under international law. If someone shoots your friend and runs into a building and you strike that building, you cannot claim that you got that target until you see a body. That's just how assessments in a Western fires process work. It also provides more legitimacy when you do say something.

If you can come up with a more valid way to conduct assessments, by all means provide it. Israel wants to assess their targets as much as you want them to.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@galloog1 Okay, let me help you out here, if some terrorist runs into a building, you don't blow up the entire fucking building full of people. That doesn't work

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think people have a really warped view of war on the internet. That's exactly what any army on earth would do including and especially Hamas. Only the United States and Israel are known to not. Coalition partners literally think we are odd for taking civilian considerations into account as much as we do. You can find tens thousands of examples of this from the current war in Ukraine, ISIS fight, and any other going back to WWII.

I don't know what to tell you. You are just simply wrong about this. War is just bad overall. That doesn't make it a war crime. That has a pretty high burden of proof. You can run this through any military lawyer of any military. I know more than my fair share and work closely with them.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

@galloog1 No, I've actually been to war, twice. So I'm good. Israel isn't taking civilians into consideration, they're racking up the body count by intentionally using the wrong weapons in a civilian populace.
Oh and that's in ADDITION to cutting off water, fuel, and medical supplies to the CIVILIANS
SO you're trying to bullshit people who now know that's what you're trying to do.
Israel is LITERALLY making more "terrorists" than they're killing with their disproportionate use of force

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