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Why do you believe in it, do you approve it in theory or also in practice? I think a lot of people approve of anarchism in theory but rejects the possibility of it to be put in practice unless we live in an utopia.. which I don't think we do, unfortunately. Maybe techno-anarchism would be more practical? Technology is such badly regulated and ordinary people are punished harsher than corporate so I really think techno-anarchism deserves a lot more attention (not saying anarchism itself doesn't) I see a lot of people here are more knowledgeable than me so don't take my word so seriously, maybe I shouldn't be expressing my idiot thoughts on it, or maybe just embrace it and ask regardless of any shame I might get.

I'm not trying to be mean to anyone, just genuinely wanted to discuss with whoever is willing to chip in on the topic.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (11 children)

If by viable you mean able to be implemented without enormous problems, I would argue that capitalism isn't viable. I believe anarchism would be better for more people than the status quo, so I'd say it's viable in comparison

Edit: to answer the other part of your question, I practice anarchism in my daily life. Anarchism, to me, is a value more so than a political ideology. I don't believe in hierarchy, so I don't perpetuate hierarchy, and I actively work to dismantle it around me

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Sorry if its a dumb question, but if its to compare to another political spectrum in regards to what it can do to more peoppe, wouldn't it be better to compare with social democracy? Finland is social democrat, people has affordable healthcare etc (except mental health access - not impossible but harder than anything else), they tax the rich, rich committing crimes punishable by fines get a way bigger fine compared to the middle class. Do you mean hierarchy is bad in any case? In regards to technology, I'd be inclined to say people in power are doing a shitty job, but anything else depends subjectively, I find Nordic countries a better reference to compare than countries like USA/Germany/France, you can see people on the happiness index (said by many its more of feeling gratitude and satisfied) many of the countries on top are Nordic countries, they also regulate tech better compared to other countries (for example, Iceland - referring to them as a good example of a country properly regulating tech, its not perfect but its not like the rest of the world isn't setting a really low bar)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

No such thing as a dumb question!

Money functions as a points system to facilitate class hierarchy, so I don't believe money should exist. Social democracies are still capitalist.

Some people prefer to distinguish "justified" hierarchies, e.g., hierarchies of expertise (like teacher-student type relationships)- i.e., someone being in charge is okay if it's well justified.

Others however, like myself, prefer to focus on the underlying power dynamics. I don't think society or its institutions should ever be granting anyone power over another person

When I look at these countries you mention, rather than seeing efficient and equal distribution of resources, what I see is a lot of unnecessary mediating factors, embedded in an inherently unjust structure- the state itself. The people there may be relatively happy, but they're not free

[–] [email protected] 2 points 57 minutes ago (1 children)

But it is closer than people living in capitalist countries are, correct? I guess it is sort of a progress at least (if it is, maybe I'm thinking the wrong way?), also do you mean society as a whole as in the whole world to be cashless or countries since it'd be a less radical change, and if so, wouldn't these cashless societies become targets of the rest of the world? I can't seem to think a middle way through to reach to that end goal

[–] [email protected] 2 points 17 minutes ago (1 children)

But it is closer than people living in capitalist countries are, correct?

Closer to anarchism? I don't think so. Closer to everyone's needs being met and having freedom? Yes, I'd say so.

I guess it is sort of a progress at least (if it is, maybe I'm thinking the wrong way?)

It sounds like you're a pragmatist, and that's valid, but most anarchists are considered idealists, which seems to be where the 'disconnect' is (using that term lightly)

also do you mean society as a whole as in the whole world to be cashless or countries since it'd be a less radical change, and if so, wouldn't these cashless societies become targets of the rest of the world?

'Idealists' like myself catch a lot of flak over this exact issue. To me, it's largely a matter of principle, so I think we should do it anyway. I feel strongly that it isn't our responsibility to make sure every base is covered before making revolutionary change.

I believe that hierarchy is bad, so we should get rid of it. Yes, that then makes us a target for new oppressors, but we're only not a target now because we already have oppressors

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 minutes ago (1 children)

Interesting points, very nice to get them from someone's different perspective, thanks.

‘Idealists’ like myself catch a lot of flak over this exact issue. To me, it’s largely a matter of principle, so I think we should do it anyway. I feel strongly that it isn’t our responsibility to make sure every base is covered before making revolutionary change.

I believe that hierarchy is bad, so we should get rid of it. Yes, that then makes us a target for new oppressors, but we’re only not a target now because we already have oppressors

Let's say it was done then, how would it avoid being exploitable by those oppressors?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 minutes ago

I'd imagine the same and only way we could get there in the first place- mutual aid and violence

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