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Israeli prime minister admits responsibility for mass pager explosions in Lebanon
(www.middleeastmonitor.com)
this post was submitted on 11 Nov 2024
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How can Israel be so precise and effective when they attack Lebanon, but in Gaza they have to kill mostly civilians to get to Hamas
It wasn't precise. It was explosives in pagers and radios that went off in public and crowded places.
Have you seen the videos of said explosions in crowded places? Single people drop and the people around them seem more or less unaffected.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Lebanon_electronic_device_attacks#Casualties
Two of those civilians were children. Two others were healthcare workers.
So as he said: very precise
When they crushed IS in Raqqa it was about 1,5 civilians for each IS bro
I really don't think you understand what "precise" means.
It means only killing the people you intended to kill.
Hey that's like, your opinion bro.
You're thinking about '100% precise'
War is never 100% precise. Hezbollah themselves cause 0.7 civilian casualties for every IDF/Israeli police they manage to kill in this conflict
"They killed more" is not an excuse for killing children. Precision attacks also don't kill children. I'm not sure why you don't realize those things.
As far as "100% precision," Israel seems to be able to do that just fine when they want to.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Israeli_assassinations
You don't go inside Lebanon and assassinate thousands of militants, that's just an impossible expectation
Maybe in your magical fairy world you can, but in the real world 2 dead kids from 3.000 strikes would be considered very precise
It's quite dishonest to act like that it was only 2 dead kids and ignore the thousands of wounded and the other 10 dead people. Especially when a link you yourself showed people says so.
Misinformation is not allowed in c/worldnews.
I'm not acting like those were the only civilian casualties. It's just what's brought up all the time. 'Thousands' of civilians wounded seems very unlikely when there's only <3.000 of these devices going off and the extent of the explosions visible from the leaked footage. Reeks of misinformation if you ask me
This is from the link you provided.
So now you're saying we can't trust the link you gave us?
But it's you that's suggesting those injured are all civilians
If not, how many of them are?
Now your claim is that most or all of the 3500 injured were terrorists? Really?
Well if they had around 3.000 pagers exploding...
I'm kidding, of course!
All 3.000 Hezbros (bar the 30 that died) must have already passed their secure one-way pagers handed to them by the Hezbollah leadership on to unsuspecting civilians. After all, who wouldn't want to be carrying around a mysterious one-way pager that periodically shows you cryptic messages?? "Hello Nighthawk. Ze goats are riding ze bicycles. I repeat: ze goats are..." KABOOOM
Got it. Shrapnel is not a thing that happens when there are explosions. Weird, I always thought it was a thing and that when you're in a crowd and the bomb planted on you explodes, that shrapnel goes into all the people around you. But they were probably terrorists too, am I right? After all, they exist in Lebanon and I'm told that existing in Palestine makes one a terrorist and it's right nearby.
But the important thing here is that you found a way to make light of dead children and turn it all into a joke. That really makes you look good.
Are you now suggesting that the average Hezbro came off unharmed, and only the people in the vicinity were hurt?
Did you see any of the leaked videos? Did you see the remains of exploded devices?
I've got a mild feeling you're just discarding all the information that's available to you, instead clinging to some weird unsubstantiated hope that this mostly hit civilians
No. I am not suggesting that. And the only way you could possibly believe that is what I was suggesting is if you didn't actually read my post.
Can you explain how you came to the conclusion that most of the 3500 injured people must have been civilians?
I did not come to such a conclusion, nor did I make such a claim.
You are the one who made the claims here:
Now, you have lied twice that I said that most or all of the injured were civilians. I would not advise you to do it a third time.
I would advise you to read your own posts again
Yes, I am claiming most of the injured must have been Hezbro's. You clearly seem to have taken the opposite position in this post:
When talking about the civilian casualties you claimed I was ignoring:
So you have the 2 children (clearly civilians) and the other 10 people wiki states were civilians sandwiching these 'thousands of wounded' that I'm 'ignoring in my calculation'. Why would you add those 'thousands of wounded that I'm ignoring' in there if not to claim that they were civilians and not Hezbros??
Why would you post that first quote if you yourself agree that most of those injured were actually Hezbros and not civilians (something you're advising me not to challenge)?
This could all be cleared up really easily if you just say how many of the injured you think are civilians and what you're basing that on
Unlike you, I do not act like I know things I obviously can't know.
Me and a few others here are responding to people claiming that this attack "murdered an insane number of civilians", "killed a majority of civilians", "was like an anthrax attack" and so on.
I'm showing publicly available information and how that leads to me to conclude that the above statements go against all logic.
Now, if your final argument is that one can't really comment on any news from the Middle East because 'we can't know' then yeah, I guess I don't have any more rebuttal for that
I'm really tired of you putting words in my mouth. I think you need to have a discussion with the Flying Squid in your head because you have not been talking to me and I'm sick and tired of correcting you.
Do you think that you get injured like that and immediately just plop on the ground? That's not how it works.