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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (7 children)

My impression is that when most people mention "ranked choice" voting, what they really mean is "ranked choice voting with instant runoff" which is functionally identical to STAR voting.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (6 children)

The two are not functionally identical at all.

Ranked Choice is a broken Ordinal voting system.

All Ordinal voting systems are flawed, because when you have to rank A over B, you will eventually reach a point where C can become a spoiler candidate.

Cardinal voting systems are immune from this, because you rate the candidates independent of each other. It doesn't matter how many candidates are on the ballot, because you're rating them vs your support, not their rank vs each other.

Cardinal systems allow you to rate two candidates the same, either with full support or full disdain.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

Do you have a link that explains what you're talking about? I'm having a hard time reconciling my understanding of Ranked Choice (with instant runoff) with the downfalls you describe.

Edit: I came across this: https://betterchoices.vote/Cardinal It explains the spoiler problem with Ordinal voting systems, but also illustrates problems with Cardinal voting systems. Interesting stuff.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

I'm so glad I found this site! I think I've been converted to a Consensus Voting proponent instead of Instant Runoff.

You can read more about it here: https://betterchoices.vote/ConsensusVoting

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