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The “Uncommitted” movement seeking a change in the Democratic Party’s approach to the war in Gaza on Thursday announced it is not ready to support Democratic presidential nominee Kamala Harris — while urging voters not to back Republican nominee Donald Trump or third-party candidates who could help Trump win the November election.

The “Uncommitted” group “opposes a Donald Trump presidency, whose agenda includes plans to accelerate the killing in Gaza while intensifying the suppression of anti-war organizing,” the statement continues. Additionally, the group is “not recommending a third-party vote in the Presidential election, especially as third party votes in key swing states could help inadvertently deliver a Trump presidency given our country’s broken electoral college system.”

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Everyone, don't bother. I have made every reasonable argument against this silly narrative that I could think of since it began and not a single time has any one of these folks gone, "Yeah, Trump/GOP has promised worse" or anything remotely similar. You will receive one of a couple canned responses, which I'll paraphrase below:

  1. "So you support the genocide?!"
  2. "You BlueMAGA are all the same. You support the genocide?!"
  3. "If you don't support the genocide you will vote third party!"

They will not listen to things like how you don't support the genocide, don't support war, know things like genocides are horrible, any explanation about how it will get worse, or anything similar.

Just trying to save you some time.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Just assume everyone making those arguments are just Maga trolls trying to siphon votes away from democrats. Saves your sanity

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm fine with the arguments fundamentally. Like yeah, it's fucking horrible what's happening. Though also for the last 30 years there has always been a conflict, or voter issue, or something that divides the Center and Left and drives voters away. Now we also have a very real threat to our way of life, or what's left of it. So it's frustrating considering how these people may affect even a single person's willingness to vote, even if they are arguing in good faith.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

There is no way to distinguish those arguing in good faith vs those who are trolling or arguing in bad faith, because all those parties use the same flawed arguments.

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