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So, instead of rehashing the same old talking points for the upteenth time, would anyone be interested in discussing China's political project in a broader and more mature way? Like for example:
Who do you think should've come to power following the fall of the Qing, through to the civil war (if not the CPC)?
Do you agree with the direction of Deng's economic reforms and opening up to foreign investment? If not, should he have stayed closer to Mao's policies, or should he have gone further towards liberalization, or something else?
What aspects or projects of the CPC have been good or successful?
What aspects or projects of the CPC have been flawed or unsuccessful?
What lessons can be learned from the successes and failures of the CPC?
Ngl I don't have high hopes for this comment but I'm tryin' over here.
i am once again relieved that
libs are too lazy and ignorant to investigate anything beyond the ccp bad that msm tells them, and that chinese libs hate themselves too much to think themselves worthy of educating their 
lib betters about cpc atrocity conspiracy theories.
though tbf at least shit like tiananmen is falsifiable, i think i'd have an aneurysm if white people on the internet started telling me that mao never left his palanquin and ate the PLA's entire stock of chicken over the course of the long march. like big spoon stalin but in earnest
Yeah it's like, typing this out really drew my attention to how much conversations about China are dominated by random noise that's largely insignificant or bullshit. It's always this 24 hour news coverage level of analysis, with no actual study of history or major trends and themes. Hell I realized myself the other day that there were two leaders between Deng and Xi who I couldn't name and know basically nothing about.
I think that most people fall into certain ideological traps that allow them to simplify narratives to the point of never really feeling the need to study anything, in part because the world is just so big that it's hard to actually be informed about things. You never have to decide how you feel about specific events in China's history if you just scream "CHINA BAD" every time it comes up, and that's a whole lot of history you never have to bother learning now.
Oh well that's easy, before Xi Jinping there was Hu Jintao, who was a kind of moderate technocratic kind of guy. Always about plans and numbers. And before Jintao there was a magic toad wizard who wore George Romero glasses and would yell at journalists when they asked him stupid shit
If you are lying to me about this I do not want to know the truth
i'm only mildly exaggerating
I don't think we even have emotes for those guys, and we have a million emotes!
My impression was both of then were fairly boring technocrats but I'm interested to learn more about this magic toad wizard.
This is the only thing I know about Jiang Zemin and I think I might be okay with that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kGPJzusNPA
Omg that's like straight out of a movie. I've seen that "too young, too simple, sometimes naive" quote before but I had no idea that's where it's from. I love it.