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So as a DM and Player, yes, there are uses for AI. Generating a good character portrait as opposed to scouring search engines is the obvious one. But I also had good useage with putting my loose outline in to AI story generators, while it only produced garbage cliches that I didn't use. It was a good way to brainstorm and see different angles of my original idea.
Having said all that, I super duper don't want AI to become a core part of DND/MTG, art in products should be ACTUAL art by ACTUAL artists. Not my 8 fingered free placeholder nonsense. I truly struggle to think of a good way that hasbro could be using AI that would help the game.
Define "actual" in this instance, please. How unassisted are we going to mandate, in order to attain this genuine art? Simply decree non-digital across the board (ie. ban photoshop, etc.)? Or, do these hypothetical makers of certified art need to concoct their own pigments and carve their own tools, too? ๐คท๐ผโโ๏ธ
I mean, fuck Hasbro & WotC & this asshat CEO too, but c'mon people. Think.
You need to take your own advice and think on the context of arts commercial useage and the truth that every human exists because of past human accomplishments.
In terms of human perspective with digital tools AI's difference of scale is a difference of kind. Photoshop fundamentally didn't change the process and concept of producing images. It's still a human sitting down with tools and producing art based off their ideas and rendered with their skill.
But AI removes that human process, now a string of keywords will mash up existing art to make a facsimile of something unique. AI doesn't make anything new, it fundamentally can't, therefore not really art. All of human culture is standing on the shoulders of historical giants, you and I can have this conversation because of someone else inventing computers, which exist because of someone utilizing electricity, which was only possible by the wheel, only possible by fire etc.
However I don't think there is much to gain in criticism of an artist buying their paints from a store just as there isn't any in artists using a mouse. Their perspective, skill and talent will produce something new, inspired by others undoubtedly, but not copy pasting brushstrokes. I hope we agree that's plagerisn and intrinsically not unique.
This is all philosophy of existentialism, what IS art and when does it become something else? The artistsy of the writers, painters and editors is what produces a compelling end multi generational international product like DND. Which is different than an end user using AI to spice up a character sheet inside the privacy of their own home.
AI is a wonderful tool, but only if the end use doesn't really matter. My players and I don't care about 11 fingered elves, but I'd be pissed to see that in a book I paid $50+ for. Just as I would be upset to read flavor text that recruisve of past writing or game mechanics designed by a machine incapable of actually running a session. If you are charging for a product, human artistry should be involved, anything else is free so who cares. Removing the human factor is the rubicon that changes digital art to high concept machine assisted plagerism.
AI can allow non artist to output art that's somewhere between terrible and mediocre.
AI can allow a great artist to dramatically increase their output and therefore revenue.
AI can't really help mediocre artists much.
Luddites going to luddite basically. This exact same fear occurs everytime there's a dramatic technology leap. Luddites like yourself will eventually quiet themselves.
Well that's dissapointing. You don't want to discuss AI and art, but to call names.
This. History often rhymes. ๐ฅฒ