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GOP lawmakers and analysts virtually unanimous that Trump was second best to Harris in first presidential debate

Donald Trump’s campaign was in damage control mode on Wednesday amid widespread dismay among supporters over a presidential debate performance that saw Kamala Harris, his Democratic opponent, repeatedly goad him into going wildly off-message and missing apparent opportunities to tackle her on policy.

Even with Trump insisting to have won the debate “by a lot”, Republicans were virtually unanimous that Trump had come off second best in a series of exchanges that saw the vice-president deliberately bait him on his weak points while he responded with visible anger.

The Republican nominee – who took the unusual step afterwards of visiting the media spin room, a venue normally frequented only by candidates’ surrogates – was non-committal on Wednesday to the Harris campaign’s proposal for a second debate. Despite widespread opinion to the contrary, Trump suggested she needed it because she had lost. “I’d be less inclined to because we had a great night. We won the debate,” he told Fox & Friends.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (10 children)

OK so Biden had a bad debate, was visibly incoherent for a while beforeheand, and they took him out of the race.

Now Trump has had a bad debate and has been visibly incoherent for years. Is the GOP going to take him out of the race for a stronger candidate?

I don't want to make a false equivalency, these are different parties and different candidates; Trump supporters are more loyal than usual, and he would take them with him as he's not likely to accept his exclusion, so the GOP taking Trump out of the race is riskier than Dems taking Biden out of the race.

But, seen from the left, conservatives are the ones with a reputation for ruthless pragmatism when it comes to electoral politics. They're the ones who sacrifice their values by voting for candidates that do advance their goals.

A lot of leftists, out of idealism, wouldn't vote for Clinton in 2016 or Biden in 2020; meanwhile evangelicals made the pragmatic decision to vote for Trump, the least christian man in the whole GOP, because he furthers their anti-abortion agenda. I argue that conservatives are absolutely correct in this, voting for a candidate that you don't like just to advance your goals is the correct approach to representative democracy. My evidence for this is that evangelical voters were rewarded for their vote when of Roe v Wade was overruled thanks to judges from the Trump administration.

So i think, if the GOP replaces Trump but keeps an equally extremist agenda, there's a world where electoral pragmatism causes those voters to transfer over, leading to better odds of a GOP victory. And a conservative presidency other than Trump would push their agenda more efficiently than the first Trump presidency did or than a second Trump presidency would.

Uh... So DON'T do that. That should not happen. It would be the right thing for the GOP to do, which means it's the wrong thing and i hope it doesn't happen.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 months ago (5 children)

The thing that allowed the Democrats to switch candidates was that the Democratic National Convention had not happened yet, which is when the candidate is officially locked in as the party's candidate on ballots for president.

The Republican National Convention was mid July. Trump and Vance are locked in. To swap candidates now would be considerably more difficult for them (not to mention having to fight against a self centered toddler that will refuse to let anyone other than him run).

Swapping out candidates would be good for the Republicans. The process of swapping out candidates would not be.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I'm wondering if Biden withdrew after the rnc so he would be locked in. Not withstanding the pressure he faced.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Surely you know by now that only Trump is able to play 5D chess at such a high level. (massive /s)

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