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[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 week ago (66 children)

This is basic felony murder shit. Any attorney worth their salt should have been telling him to take the plea deal, because felony murder is a Big Fucking Deal. To be more exact, 46 of 50 states have some version of a felony murder statute, and in 24 of them--just under half--felony murder is a capital crime, and can potentially receive the death penalty.

A good attorney would be communicating this clearly to their client, and make sure that the client understood that going to trial would likely mean decades in prison, and possibly a death penalty; the odds of beating the charge, if you participated in the underlying crime, are very, very poor.

Here's the basic deal: when a deal occurs during the course of committing certain felonies, any major participant in the commission of that crime are guilty of causing that death. If you're the getaway driver in a bank robbery, and all of the robbers get killed by security guards, you get charged with murder for their deaths, even though it was legal for the security guards to use lethal force against them. Smith was one of the participants in the burglary, and it was during the commission of the burglary that Washington attacked a police officer and was killed. Because Smith was an active participant in that burglary, he's guilty of that death, even though Washington was justifiably killed by a cop.

And, BTW, this isn't bootlicking bullshit. It didn't need to be a cop that killed Washington for a felony murder charge to apply to Smith. If Washington had attacked the homeowner, and the homeowner had killled Washington, it would have been the same felony murder charge for Smith.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I mean, that's still mighty fucked up. So you're accomplice couldn't run as fast as you and you get charged with their death someone else caused? How are people ok with that?

And yes I totally understand that it was a justified shooting but charging someone with murder when they didn't murder someone one is insane as fuck.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

It's pretty simple to understand: you were a participant in the underlying felony that lead to someone's death. Had that underlying event not happened, no death would have happened. Because you participated in the event, you share the legal responsibility.

It's the same general principle as RICO (racketeer influenced and corrupt organization) laws; when you participate in a criminal undertaking, you're responsible for the results of that activity. If you don't want to be responsible for the results, then you shouldn't participate in the crime.

...And if you do participate in the crime, take the goddamn plea deal instead of expecting that the jury is going to nullify the results, because jury nullification is both very rare, and leads to a lot of undesirable results.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

It is simple to understand that that is the rule. Its also very simple to understand how absolutely fucked up that is.

Next time they shoot another innocent person and murder them at the wrong address is the person who's address they were supposed to be at going to be held responsible?

To add to this, say an addict buys drugs from a dude but that dude is a cartel member and murders a family after a few months. Addict didn't give him the gun, maybe addict didn't even know he was cartel but because of ol' Rico since you interacted with a criminal organization your hands have blood on them too?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Next time they shoot another innocent person and murder them at the wrong address is the person who’s address they were supposed to be at going to be held responsible

If you want to take that to an illogical extreme, and say that any connection, regardless of how tenuous, should be charged, then sure. Except that's not the way that the laws are written.

since you interacted with a criminal organization your hands have blood on them too?

This is a common argument in the general public and politically. If you buy cocaine, you're directly supporting the cartel activities in Colombia. You can't buy ethically-sourced cocaine. If you buy heroin, you were supporting insurgent groups in Afghanistan and Pakistan (or, were; now that the Taliban has political control of Afghanistan, they've sharply cut poppy cultivation, much to the detriment of the farmers).

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