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Highway spending increased by 90% in 2021. This is one of many reasons why car traffic is growing faster than population growth.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago (49 children)

While I'm a strong proponent of reducing and possibly eliminating car use, this image is disingenuous. They neatly packed 69 (nice) people into a medium bus, sure. But when showing cars, it's almost 1 persons per car (I counted 15 cars in a row and there are 4 rows, so 60 cars). You can definitely use cars more efficiently than that.

Assuming that actually autonomous self-driving cars exist, they could be extremely efficient. Especially if you treat them like ride sharing taxis. In other words, a lot of people could share the same car and that would reduce the amount of owned cars. They also never waste space being parked. So I can see how when we make a real self-driving car, it can potentially reduce traffic. Especially for all those cases where public transportation doesn't work.

And what the heck is a "connected car"?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (9 children)

I'd argue against that.

The concept of robot taxi sounds nice, but it devolves into an unsustainable mess. Ride sharing isn't simple, especially when we talk about uncertain way points. Meaningfully matching cases where people can share a robot car with completely random drop off is a logistical nightmare. I used to work at a Ride hailing company as an analyst, and people being unhappy with the duration of the shared ride was the biggest issue for that category (removing for generic cases like payment issues).

Additionally, I'm sure it's going to be a safety factor. I'm unlikely to get into a car with a random stranger when there's literally no one else in the car. Miss me with trusting some corporate with safety in such cases.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I’ve done ride shares a few times with Uber and it went pretty well. Basically it only worked from downtown to the airport, as the only scenarios with similar routes. Maybe a sporting or music event would be the same, I don’t know

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm not sure what you mean here by Downtown.

But again, if all you're looking for is a good transport system from one high population density area (airports almost always are) to another high population density area, you'll be better served by having a reliable and decently fast metro train or the likes, than a cab, as long as people don't mind walking for 5-10 minutes from their closest stop. If that distance is higher, by all means taxis are amazing for last mile connectivity. But expecting cars to solve public transport at large has always looked like a losing battle to me.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Boston. I’ve gotten shared rides between downtown Boston and the airport but that’s the only scenario where I’ve been able to

It’s also a bit of a cautionary tale on transit, because Boston managed to screw that up with too many connections making it take too long.

  • Subway. But only the blue line, no connection to red line, and you need to transfer to a bus.
  • silver line. Connects to red line only. Glorified bus, drives in regular traffic.
  • park and ride - no overnight parking.
  • AirPort Express bus. Only serves outer burbs

If I want to goto the airport from my home in the inner ‘burbs:

  • commuter train is up to 2 hours apart, limited hours. Can head into town, walk a block or two to the blue line, wait as long as 20 minutes, take that to the airport. Wait up to 5 minutes for a shuttle, take that to the terminal. Not practical.
  • drive to red line. No overnight parking. Wait up to 20 minutes for subway, take it to silver line. Wait up to 20 minutes. Get stuck in traffic in the tunnels. Not practical.

I have lots of great transit options but none that connect smoothly and frequently enough to actually use. This is better when living in the city but still all the connections and delays turn what should be a great transit experience into an impractical one. I’m going to end up driving to the airport every time (up to three day trip or Uber for longer)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Never been to US, so I won't comment on the specific infra.

However, I have lived in multiple cities, and have seen multiple cities build their metro networks from scratch in 20 years. And they've been absolutely over and beyond what could've been achieved by any improvement in car infrastructure, apart from demolishing entire houses and shops to expand the roads on both sides.

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