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Highway spending increased by 90% in 2021. This is one of many reasons why car traffic is growing faster than population growth.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago (49 children)

While I'm a strong proponent of reducing and possibly eliminating car use, this image is disingenuous. They neatly packed 69 (nice) people into a medium bus, sure. But when showing cars, it's almost 1 persons per car (I counted 15 cars in a row and there are 4 rows, so 60 cars). You can definitely use cars more efficiently than that.

Assuming that actually autonomous self-driving cars exist, they could be extremely efficient. Especially if you treat them like ride sharing taxis. In other words, a lot of people could share the same car and that would reduce the amount of owned cars. They also never waste space being parked. So I can see how when we make a real self-driving car, it can potentially reduce traffic. Especially for all those cases where public transportation doesn't work.

And what the heck is a "connected car"?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (7 children)

Every panel is flawed

People don't walk that closely together

People don't bike that closely together

Only a double decker bus could fit that many people without cramming people in like sardines

Moving cars should obey a safe following distance, so unless traffic is gridlocked, they shouldn't be that close either

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Bikes even if not packed as closely massively decrease the total volume. Even if they were all riding all after one another on a bike lane it would be miles shorter than cars on a road.

And as for the bus... I have been on busses that full. You clearly have not travelled peak hour traffic on a busy route. Just look at any Japanese or Indian train to see how space efficient they are able to transport petiole

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Just look at any Japanese or Indian train to see how space efficient they are able to transport petiole

"Space efficient" is a very kind euphemism for "being packed cheek by jowl and smelling what everyone had for lunch."

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Just add more buses in that case. This is the good kind of induced demand.

Even then, in a well designed city, there are enough viable alternatives when buses get too crowded (walking, cycling, trains, even a slightly different bus route).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I'm just saying that if you want people who don't take transit to consider it, do not praise a system that requires workers to cram people forcefully into subway cars, even if it does more than double passenger capacity.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yeah public transit is for ugly disgusting poor people!

/s

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

I know plenty of ugly disgusting rich people and would also not like to smell them or feel them rubbing against me.

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