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[–] [email protected] 42 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (6 children)

Israel doesn't seem particularly motivated to agree to a ceasefire since we keep guaranteeing unlimited support for their war mongering. Last time we were "close" they assassinated the leader of Hamas to kick off the peace process

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (5 children)

Yeah. To elaborate on this, I can't really say where Hamas is on a ceasefire, because they've got new leadership. But I can say that Netanyahu and his cabinet have pretty much said that they'll only agree to a ceasefire on the condition that every member of Hamas turns themselves in the nearest IDF soldier for a summary execution. They've firmly rejected Biden's ceasefire proposal, and then whipped out their dicks and peed on it.

Biden could secure Israel's cooperation if he wanted to. They are completely dependent on us. But unless the breakthrough that Biden is thinking of is him remember that and then telling Bibi, I don't see what else changes. Netanyahu has firmly rejected this proposal over and over and over and made no indication that he's moved at all on this.

Also, if he did there is no real guarantee that Hamas will go along with it. They expressed willingness before... but that was under very different circumstances, under a totally different leader.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It was not biden proposal if i recall correctly. It was Israel proposal that they didn’t expect hamas to agree to and they back tracked. Hamas just announced they agree to it again, and to the UN ceasefire call to vaccinate kids.

The zaionst state will attempt to pre-long this and kill at least 50 civilian a day and destroy more homes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

I think it's somewhat of an academic point. I've heard it suggested that the proposal was drafted by the Israeli negotiation team (which I believe is led by the Mossad, Israel's intelligence agency). It's never been entirely clear whether they are on the same page as Netanyahu. It may have been a proposal largely drafted by Biden's team which he then tried to attribute to Israel as part of a weak pressure campaign, or it may have been a genuinely Isreali proposal in the sense that it was drafted by the negotiators. But the key element is that it despite what Biden or anyone else says, there was no point at which Netanyahu was willing to accept a ceasefire under the terms agreed to by Israeli negotiators.

It may be noteworthy because there is speculation that the army and intelligence services are increasingly dissatisfied following Netanyahu's orders. But there is no indication as far as I'm aware that they're prepared to do anything about it.

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