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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (37 children)

If you're worried about making the cab bigger and comfier, you don't need a truck.

There are no arguments to this and no one has a point against me here. If cab space is the concern, you need a minivan or SUV.

Blanket statement with impunity incoming. Combining these vehicles is a bad idea. For safety and efficiency. If you think this is a good idea in any possible way, you're simply incorrect.

You're just buying an SUV with a truck bed attached because your little balls say you want a "manly" vehicle.

You wouldn't put a hitch on a moped. Don't put a bed on a SUV.

Extending the length of a vehicle past the point where a hitch makes it longer than a parking space should be a "first offense your company is due down immediately" kind of offense first of all. The amount of these hitches blocking sidewalks and handicap accessibility spaces is absolutely bonkers.

Why don't we have a president type of office that doesn't mess with politics or international affairs, they just have nationwide power for common sense stuff like banning pickups simply being used as passenger vehicles, curbing attempts to overgrow parking spaces, and probably a bunch of other stuff too.

Also, I have a great idea for a whole new tax. :)

Let's make an industry out of dining these people to the point where only businesses use trucks. Regular people can rent them easily enough to move between apartments or what have you, but these should never have been general use daily drivers.

Let's just crush and compact the entire pickup truck industry to an incredibly tiny fraction of what it is now.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (19 children)

You are definitely wrong, there is a market for it. It’s clearly not as big as it currently is, but there are absolutely people that families and work some sort of construction or farming job where a truck is necessary, and carrying more than 3 people comfortably is also necessary. And two vehicles is also not feasible.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

I mean, fuck, I own a bar and need a pickup truck simply because how else am I gonna return 250 empty cases of beer to recycling? I ain't putting that smell in an enclosed van and if I got an open trailer, I'd need a truck to tow it anyways. (I actually do have a van, I use it in winter and rainy days for picking up full beer cases, doesn't have near the weight capacity of the truck although using the same motor and getting similar mileage)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Okay…so you need a truck to haul beer cans. What’s wrong with the simple low-profile one for that job?

The criticism is on freak hybrid SUV-trucks.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Do you know how much 250 empty cases of 24 bottles weighs? Its a lot more than the little one can hold. I had to construct 2x4 stake panels up to the height of the roof as it was with a full size long bed, in order to avoid making 3 trips (twenty miles to the depot), and it would take five with that little truck that can't even hit highway speed. It also can't tow my fifth wheel camper. (From 1983, before I get the rich person problems accusation. I ain't rich, I'm rural and handy enough buy old shit cheap)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So without the pickup truck, you'd still be able to do it with an alternative.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago

No. Read it again.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I’d need a truck to tow it anyways.

Common misconception, but you do not, and a folding trailer hooked up to a car with a tow rating capable of pulling it takes up much less overall space when it's folded up than the truck will most of the time. You'll also probably get better gas mileage, which is a bonus, plus better pedestrian safety, less force going into a car crash which collectively makes everyone on the road safer, and makes it safer to crash into stationary objects, decreased roadwear, things of this nature. This sort of trailer setup is done all the time in europe, as another comment concurs.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I'm not putting 3000 lbs of beer bottles on a trailer behind a (modern) car. It's borderline unsafe and over car capacity. You're talking to a CDL holder, I do know s thing or two about pulling trailers. Cars domt have full frames anymore, that's only one of the many reasons this bad idea

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (2 children)

3000 lbs is well within the towing capacity of a VW Golf with a braked trailer. Not to mention a van.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

LOL. I just looked up tongue weight max on a golf. 300 pounds. They're literally useless and dangerous for towing anything over 1000lbs.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

All those Europeans towing with their small cars must just be my imagination then.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Seems like it. Or maybe you've no sense of scale, don't know what you're looking at. Max tongue weight like that, a person would nearly have to balance 3000 lbs on the trailer axle, 1800 front, 1200 rear or so. Recipe for a whipping trailer.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Said three thousand pound load, that does not include the trailer. Gross weights gonna be 4500, 5000 ish. Vans are generally pickup truck drivelines this continent, so no real difference there for mileage.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

No difference in mileage, maybe. Certainly a huge difference in danger to pedestrians and cyclists.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago

Nope sorry, you actually don’t exist. OP says it’s impossible for someone to need a truck.

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