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Does one have to be an iconoclast or revolutionary these days to be validly left? I consider myself to be left of center, and very much in favor of progressive policies. (lemmy.dbzer0.com)

submitted 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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However I find myself being disagreed with quite often, mostly for not advocating or cheering violence, "by any means possible" change, or revolutionary tactics. It would seem that I'm not viewed as authentically holding my view unless I advocate extreme, violent, or radical action to accomplish it.

Those seem like two different things to me.

Edit: TO COMMUNISTS, ANARCHISTS, OR ANYONE ELSE CALLING FOR THE OVERTHROW OF SOCIETY

THIS OBVIOUSLY ISN'T MEANT FOR YOU.

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[–] [email protected] -2 points 4 months ago (7 children)

Not talking to you but sentence #1

[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 months ago (6 children)

Capitalism is an inherently exploitative system, and only exists because the State enshrines Private Property Rights. Policing in general serves the status quo, which in current society is Capitalist.

Additionally, Communists and Anarchists are regularly murdered by the state, typically internationally, to destabilize this system and maintain corporate profits via super-exploitation.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 4 months ago (5 children)

And what is the future society you propose that is not based on violence, and how are they keeping bad actors from destroying the system that exists afterwards... after capitalism?

[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I don't know why you think we're proposing a society without violence. We're proposing a society where the working class wields the violence against the capitalist class until the capitalist class ceases to exist. We don't like when violence happens to us and people in the same position as us. And if gaining more control over our own lives involves violence against the capitalist class, then that's what it takes.

I genuinely couldn't give a shit about a capitalist's supposed civil rights, and I take John Brown's advice for how to treat racists.

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