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[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago (7 children)

You can play sports and not be manipulating people.

You cannot lead a church and not be manipulating people, even if unwittingly.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

That's a false comparison. You can't lead anything without, to a point, manipulating people. You can manipulate them transparently and for their benefit, or you are manipulating them for your own. The people who lead and run sports leagues are definitely not doing it out of a sense of charity.

Plenty of churchgoers and even pastors are in it to serve people with no real personal benefit. The same can't be said of professional sports players.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (4 children)

At some point in an ecclesiastical hierarchy someone is manipulating people for their own benefit, knowing they're doing so. They profess miracles while knowing there are none.

Above a certain level all you'll find are charlatans.

The only religions that do not operate like this are unaffiliated churches, mystical, or nontheistic religions like Buddhism, Jainism etc.

If you profess a god and have a hierarchical structure your leaders manipulate you for their own gain or prestige. They do not believe.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

If you think Buddhists and Jains aren't hierarchical or corrupt oh boy

those big temples and libraries aren't built by prayers but cold hard cash

they've also been doing this for thousands of years

but yes I agree with your point overall just nitpicking your choice of counter examples

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