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[โ€“] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (30 children)

cede Crimea and part of Donbass

full Russian withdrawal

These contradict each other.

The whole list is "Let the invader win and blame the victim" so go fuck yourself.

[โ€“] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago (24 children)

If you can't understand that things have gotten far worse for Ukraine in every respect in the past two years, while hundreds of thousands of people died, and millions more had their lives ruined, then kindly take your own advise. It's incredible how libs love to moralize while the actual tangible outcome of their actions is always nightmarish. This is what happens when people become completely disengaged from reality.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (13 children)

They didn't defend themselves strongly enough when Russia invaded Crimea in 2014, and Russia then invaded again. Why would letting Russia annex more land do anything other tha encourage them to finish the job they have clearly stated was fully conquering Ukraine?

You are the one denying reality. Or shilling for Putin more likely.

[โ€“] [email protected] 18 points 6 months ago (1 children)

they have clearly stated was fully conquering Ukraine?

Source?

[โ€“] [email protected] -5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Putinโ€™s clearest answer yet came in a speech delivered on Monday. He believes that Ukraine is an illegitimate country that exists on land thatโ€™s historically and rightfully Russian: โ€œUkraine actually never had stable traditions of real statehood,โ€ as he puts it.

That is when the war started, when they were going to take Kiev in three days and Putin has repeated the assertion that Ukraine is really "part of Russia" multiple times since then. Russia switched to the narrative of taking only Donbass when the offense was stopped and Ukraine started retaking ground.

[โ€“] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Fascinating. So if one state doesn't recognize another, that means that it "clearly states its aim is to fully annex it." So for example, the US doesn't recognize the government of Afghanistan, so that means the US "clearly states" it aims to reinvade and fully annex Afghanistan, do I have that right?

Or maybe you meant to say that Russia implicitly suggested that it intended to fully annex Ukraine, according to your speculation?

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