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I wasnt equating them. I was saying that people love to lump people with 'if the boot fits' type of sentiment. I have heard the lumping with Nazis so many times in the last 2 or 3 years I was just using as some sort of reverse uno type example. Maybe i missed the mark
If you wanna understand why it’s a bad idea to compare Nazis and communists that way, answer the following succinctly and quickly:
Why is it bad to lump with Nazis?
Huh? I was using that as an example of how people lump people into categories based on who they associate with. I didnt say anything about something was bad or not. I didnt compare the two.
I wont answer your red herring. I cant tell if you are in good faith here.
Surely you can’t expect me to believe you meant no comparison between two opposed political views when you invoked one in response to another?
Not after you said you won’t respond to my question because you can’t tell if I’m in good faith!
Why, a person would almost see you as some kind of troll if they didn’t know better!
I’ll tell you what, you set the rules for what constitutes good faith engagement and I’ll either abide by them or explain why I can’t and head on.
We are in cringe territory. English isnt my first language but is it really hard to understand what I am saying? I am openly saying i am not comparing and you want to drag them together as if in hopes you can catch me with some gotcha.
Kinda bored with this, would you rather post hog and we can compare?
You can always not post a response if you’re bored.
Even without English as your first language, surely you can see how bringing up the behavior and perception of Nazis and Nazi spaces in response to a person in a communist space would be seen as a comparison because of how those two groups stood in opposition to each other?
If something feels cringey to you why not just not do it? You brought up good faith, not me.
I am genuinely interested in helping you understand how bringing up people who accept Nazis being lumped in with Nazis invites a comparison no matter who you use it in relation to.
The problem that I see with you asking that is it invites an unnecessary criticism. I remember seeing a post on chapotraphouse years ago on methods of how to 'dunk on' people and this is one way.
I used nazis as an easy comparison because everyone and their grandma does it now. Tou see a nazi associating with nazis and bada bing they are a nazi. For some reason, its not as easy to say the a communist sitting at a table with all his communist friends talking about how good communism is not wanting to be considered a communist is weird. You are deflecting the main point when you ask me if I think lumping nazis is bad, thats not the point. Im like exhausted just thinking how to spoon feed you this idea that you are slowly brainwashing yourself if you let this stuff go.
Who decides if a criticism is unnecessary? We’re ten responses deep. No one’s gonna see even if I did somehow turn this into a “dunk”.
I’m really trying to help you understand what’s going on in the Nazi table saying.
“If there’s ten people at a table and six are wearing ss uniforms, how many Nazis are there at the table? The answer is ten.”
The specific counts change but people say this because there’s something so abhorrent about naziism that just accepting them into your company requires that you assent to their awful actions and ideology.
What awful actions and ideology? Why white supremacy and genocide of course!
So when someone says the same thing but points it at communists the implication is that communists are just as bigoted and genocidal as Nazis, which is what the antisemitic double genocide theory states.
You’re saying you didn’t mean it like that and I believe you. It’s just important to understand.
You should be making fun of that person for being too scared to own their proud communism, but you can’t use the Nazis at the table analogy.