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I can see some minor benefits - I use it for the odd bit of mundane writing and some of the image creation stuff is interesting,, and I knew that a lot of people use it for coding etc - but mostly it seems to be about making more cash for corporations and stuffing the internet with bots and fake content. Am I missing something here? Are there any genuine benefits?

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (6 children)

Don't limit your thoughts to just generative AI, which is what you are talking about. Chat bot and media generation aren't the only uses for AI (by which I mean any trained neural network program that can do some sort of task.

Motor skills

AI can solve learn to solve the marble maze "Labyrinth" much, much faster than a human, and then speedrun it faster than any human ever has. Six hours. That's how long it took a brand new baby AI to beat the human world record. A human that has been learning hand-eye coordination and fine motor control all of it's life, with a brain which evolved over millions of years to do exactly that.

No special code needed. The AI didn't need to be told how balls roll or knobs turn, or how walls block the ball. It earned all of that on the fly. The only special code it had was optical and mechanical. It knew it had "hands" in the form of two motors, and it knew how to use them. It also had eyes (a camera), and access to a neural network computer vision system. When the AI started taking illegal shortcuts, and they had to instruct it to follow the prescribed path, which is printed on the maze.

Robots could in work factories, mines, and other dangerous, dehumanizing jobs. Why do we want workers to behave like robots at a factory job? Replace them with actual robots and let them perform a human job like customer service.

Think of a robot that has actual hands and arms, feet and legs, and various "muscles". We have it learn it's motor control using a very accurate physics system on a computer that simulates its body. This allows the AI to learn at much faster speeds than by controlling a real robot. We can simulate thousands of robots in parallel and run the simulations much faster than real time. Train it to learn how to use it's limbs and eyes to climb over obstacles, open doors and detain or kill people. We could replace police with them. Super agile robot cops with no racial bias or other prejudices. Arresting people and recording their crimes. Genuine benefit.

Computer Vision

AI can be trained to recognize objects, abstract shapes, people's individual faces, emotions, people's individual body shape, mannerisms, and gait. There are many genuine benefits to such systems. We can monitor every public location with cameras and an AI employing these tools. This would help you find lost loved ones, keep track of your kids as they navigate the city, and track criminal activity.

By recording all of this data, tagged with individual names, we can spontaneously view the public history of any person in the world for law enforcement purposes. Imagine we identify a person as a threat to public safety 10 years from now. We'd have 10 years of data showing everyone they've ever associated with and where they went. Then we could weed out entire networks of crime at once by finding patterns among the people they've associated with.

AI can even predict near future crime from an individual's recent location history, employment history, etc. Imagine a person is fired from his job then visits a gun store then his previous place of employment. Pretty obvious what's going on, right? But what if it happens over the period of two weeks? Difficult for a human to detect a pattern like this in all the noise of millions of people doing their everyday tasks, but easy for an AI. Genuine benefit.

Managing Production

With enough data and processing power, we can manage the entire economy without the need for capitalism. People's needs could be calculated by an AI and production can be planned years ahead of time to optimize inputs and outputs. The economy--as it stands today--is a distributed network of human brains and various computers. AI can eliminate the need for the humans, which is good because humans are greedy and neurotic. AI can do the same job without either. Again, human's are freed to pursue human endeavors instead of worrying about making sure each farm and factory has the resources it needs to feed and clothe everyone. Genuine benefit.

Togetherness

We will all be part of the same machine working in harmony instead of fighting over how to allocate resources. Genuine benefit!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Even if it turns out to be organic, that wordwall is shill as fuck.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

I was with it until it said let's train AI robots to kill people, and then use them to track every face on the planet and use that data to "identify threats"...

OP wants a robot overseer, but also wants it to be a police state.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Don't discount the generative AI either!

Language generating AI like LLMs: Though we're in early stages yet and they don't really work for communication, these are going to be the foundation on which AI learns to talk and communicate information to people. Right now they just spit out correct-sounding responses, but eventually the trick to using that language generation to actually communicate will be resolved.

Image/video/music generating AI: How difficult it is right now, for the average person to illustrate an idea or visual concept they have! But already these image generating AI are making such illustration available to the common person. As they advance further and adjusting their output based on natural conversational language becomes more effective, this will only get better. A picture paints a thousand words...and now the inverse will also be true, as anyone will be able to create a picture with sufficient description. And the same applies to video and music.

That said I love your managing production point. It's something I e been thinking too - centrally planned economies have always had serious issues, but if with predictive AI we can overcome the problems by accurately predicting future need, the problems with them may be solvable, and we can then take advantage of the inherent efficiency in such a planned system.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That's funny because the whole post was sarcastically outlining a distopian nightmare.

If that kind of stuff was actually to become real, some dictator would take control of it and subjugate the entire country, or world... forever. There'd be no way to resist that level of surveillance or machine policing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

I think each one of those dystopian ideas can be done in a safe and humane way, but needless to say it is not the current trajectory.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Train it to learn how to use it's limbs and eyes to climb over obstacles, open doors and detain or kill people. We could replace police with them. Super agile robot cops with no racial bias or other prejudices. Arresting people and recording their crimes. Genuine benefit.

I got as far as ai cops and became sceptical. Like, yeah, sure, but what you're describing isn't just a robot being controlled by an AI, it's also the ai making decisions and choosing who to pursue and such, which is a known weakness right now.

And then you let them kill people.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Well, yeah. They are told to put down their weapon. They get 20 seconds to comply. If they don't, they get killed.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago
[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Nice post. A while back I read something on reddit about a theory for technological advances always being used for the worst possible nightmare scenario. But I can't find it now. Fundamentally I'm a technological optimist but I can't even yet fully imagine the subtle systemic issues this will cause. Except the rather obvious one:

Algorithms on social media decide what people see and that shapes their perception of the world. It is relatively easy to manipulate in subtle ways. If AI can learn to categorize the psychology of users and then "blindly anticipate" what and how they will respond to stimuli (memes / news / framing) then that will in theory allow for a total control by means of psychological manipulation. I'm not sure how close we are to this, the counter argument would be that AI or LLMs currently don't understand at all what is going on, but public relations / advertising / propaganda works on emotional levels and doesn't "have to make sense". The emotional logic is much easier to categorize and generate. So even if there is no blatant evil master plan just optimizing for max profit, max engagement, could make the AI pursue (dumbly) a broad strategy that is more evil than that.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Another great one is science! Machine learning is used for physics, bio, and chem models, in things such as genetic sequencing and generation of new drugs as well as very useful in figuring out protein folding. It's very useful in all of the iterative "grunt work" so to speak. While it may not be the best at finding effective new drugs, it can certainly arrange molecules according to the general rules of organic chemistry much faster than any human, and because of that has already led to several drug breakthroughs. AI is hugely useful! LLMs are mostly hype