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How native Hawaiians feel about the occupation regime (twitter.com)

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (110 children)

Would Hawaii live in peace and prosperity if it were suddenly its own independent state?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (13 children)

They did before they were conquered. Why is that so hard to imagine now?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Hawaii was annexed in 1898. So, why dredge up anger at the conquest over 100 years later?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

First of all, that's not at all a reasonable reply to my comment. Second, how the hell do you have the gall to openly post this fascist garbage for all the world to see?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

they voted to become a state in 1959, with a 93%+ majority. how is that “fascist” just because you disagree with it?

Hawaii—a U.S. territory since 1898—became the 50th state in August, 1959, following a referendum in Hawaii in which more than 93% of the voters approved the proposition that the territory should be admitted as a state.

There were many Hawaiian petitions for statehood during the first half of the 20th century. The voters wished to participate directly in electing their own governor and to have a full voice in national debates and elections that affected their lives. The voters also felt that statehood was warranted because they had demonstrated their loyalty—no matter what their ethnic background—to the U.S. to the fullest extent during World War II.

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On June 27, 1959, a referendum asked residents of Hawaiʻi to vote on the statehood bill; 94.3% voted in favor of statehood and 5.7% opposed it. The referendum asked voters to choose between accepting the Act and remaining a U.S. territory. The United Nations' Special Committee on Decolonization later removed Hawaiʻi from its list of non-self-governing territories.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because you are saying it was 100 years ago, so your crimes no longer matter. The holocaust is coming up on 100 years ago now as well. I'm guessing that all the peoples murdered by the Nazis should just get over it and start loving the fascists now as well?

As for your garbage referendum, see my reply to your other post with this garbage.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because you are saying it was 100 years ago, so your crimes no longer matter.

YOU are saying that, not me. keep your words out of my mouth.

The holocaust...

As for your garbage referendum

“I don’t like it, so I’m going to call it names!”

grow up

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I confused you with the other fascist above, whose post I was replying to.

Hawaii was annexed in 1898. So, why dredge up anger at the conquest over 100 years later?

You're just here sealioning on an attempt to justify ethnic cleansing. The Holocaust comparison is NOT a false equivalence by the way. Hitler was inspired by the US.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Really tempted to give this individual the PPBs...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I already blocked him. I'm native and I'm somewhat used to hearing this nonsense. But it still doesn't do good things for me, and he has nothing useful to say anyway. It's all debate perversion with a hard on for colonialism. Anyone with half a brain should be able to see that it's just a lame attempt to justify the subjugation of Hawaii.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Any situation that began with land being stolen from native people via coup and gun-point means anything thereafter is a colonial and imperialist action that creates easily understandable echos of inequality and suffering. For instance lots of Native populations being unable to afford their land, or having to exist as permanent renters, and then also having to suffer ecological consequences such as guinea grass (imported by colonial cattle ranchers into Hawaii that now dries out and burns easily yet has not been removed) causing wild fires that burn entire communities (not to forget the blackrock owned electric company having shitty ill maintained equipment around such communities).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They're running multiple accounts pushing the same reactionary garbage, with the same little debate fallacy pictures, and even the same obnoxious "most people learn this when they're 5" bit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ah, mods need to do some clearing out then

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

One would hope.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You’re just here sealioning on an attempt to justify ethnic cleansing. The Holocaust comparison is NOT a false equivalence by the way. Hitler was inspired by the US.

This article doesn’t even mention Hawaii, colonialism, or anything related to it. It speaks of Hitler’s inspiration drawn from slavery and ideas of race superiority towards black people. Not only did you obviously just google “Hitler US inspiration” to cherry-pick something about Hitler, you clearly neither read it or have any understanding of the material.

so, yeah, it’s a false equivalence AND now you're

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