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It would be cool to give whales guns and just see what happens.

Like the ocean version of when you give a monkey a gun.

Of course I’m not asking. I’m responding to your assertion that after 2015 azov wasn’t spreading nazism. They clearly were both incubating and spreading it during that time. I chose the example most apropos to our discussion and brought up their semiotics. You said it (without specification) wasn’t a nazi symbol and I asked which of the two nazi symbols wasn’t one.

So, stop providing cover for the spread of Nazism. Stop defending Nazis.

Now how many Nazis can a group have before the wolfsangel is a problem? We agree that Nazis use it as a dogwhistle, we agree that in the context of a far right militia it’s clearly Nazi imagery. Is it half? If your group is half Nazis you get a pass? One quarter? One singular Nazi? I’d argue that since the context is a far right militia that just fucking last year claimed to have “denazified” the number is zero. You can’t use the same imagery you used last year to appeal to Nazis and credibly claim that it’s different now.

I say that because I’m not gullible and I don’t defend Nazis.

What’s not a Nazi symbol, the wolfsangel (which you agreed was a Nazi symbol in the context of a right wing militia just a few days ago) or the black sun (whose removal you claimed was semiotic denazification enough)?

Instead of making me dredge up terrible things you’ve said, why not just stop defending Nazis?

What would you call wearing and waving a Nazi symbol?

Stop defending Nazis!

I’m not trivializing anything.

You are saying that azov battalion using the wolfsangel is not a nazi symbol.

It’s a defense of Nazis because you’re providing cover for the spread of their ideology. You need to stop defending Nazis.

Okay first things first, I never said Russia was controlled by its enemies, second:

This isn’t about my views on geopolitics, it’s about ohs you need to stop defending Nazis. Do that and we can have a wide ranging conversation about any number of topics.

But first, stop defending Nazis!

They’re both liberal fascist states. One was put in place by nato after they realized they couldn’t just carve it up, the other was put in place by nato to oppose the first when they denied it membership.

Stop deflecting and trying to place me in support or opposition to the members of this absolutely avoidable conflict and most importantly: stop defending nazis.

Take that same exact page and recognize that if there’s ten liberals at the table with a Nazi there’s eleven Nazis at the table.

An organization that accepts Nazis is a Nazi organization.

I’m not trivializing the fact that the ukranian state actively welcomes Nazis. I’m responding appropriately with revulsion and disdain.

To the extent that there is any path to peace that leaves Donetsk and Luhansk in the control of the ukranian state, it does not hinge on accepting and welcoming Nazis.

If the state is doing so, it’s not out of necessity, but alignment.

There is no argument to be won here. Anyone reading this thread of comments will wonder why it’s so important that Nazis are accepted. I’m recommending you, as a person who ought to be familiar with the insidious nature of fascism, stop defending Nazis.

See this is why I keep pushing you.

Germany would never do what the ukranian state is doing, but they need every fighting man. Never mind the fact that ukranian doctrine has been combined arms warfare with relatively small numbers of soldiers so they’re not actually in a situation where numbers are a huge benefit.

The naziism is a serious problem and it’s good that azov “denazified” but also they’re not popular and it’s no big deal.

They can’t capitalize on having fought and aren’t gaining any standing, but azov was being lauded in the press as defenders of Mariupol.

You’re just saying whatever let’s you keep defending the Nazis.

Now it could be that you want to defend the ukranian state, but you don’t need to rush to its side every time. It can be making grave mistakes and doing the wrong thing by any measure and still be a state you support. Just don’t support the Nazis, that’s all I ask.

Take a page from the communists and limit yourself to critical support.

You’d have a good point if the ukranian state was doing some kind of gloryless Suicide charge with them. Based on all they’ve said they’re integrating the Nazi militia into the state to fight alongside normal people and become war heroes.

Stop finding excuses to defend Nazis.

Oh so you’re defending specifically the nazis fighting Russia.

Interesting stance for a German to take. 🤔

You can, as always, stop defending Nazis.

Oh so if they’re good Nazis it’s okay!

I see now why you’re defending them, you think it’s okay!

Stop defending Nazis!