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I'm watching both of these shows in their entirety and I don't know why they've historically gotten so much backlash. One reviewer called TBL "a dumpster fire of a TV show" and others seem to think M6L is downright abusive. However, I can't find anything particularly bad in either.

Although it's true that in TBL the contestants are losing an egregious amount of weight each week, it's likely (actually almost certain) that most of this is water weight and it would have been more dangerous to instead not lose the weight. The intense exercise scenes seem pretty typical for anybody who's serious about athletics. Finally, the famous "damaged metabolism" study that shut down TBL turned out to be debunked due to "damaged metabolism" being a boring, normal adaptation under high physical activity.

And although there are tons of bare naked shower scenes in M6L, everyone knew that going in and they agreed anyway. Some also complain how the stars don't receive enough support for things like therapy and other cost centers. I would say that would actually have been a great thing to add, but it would be impractical at scale and have a high chance of bankrupting the production with how much healthcare costs, resulting in a net loss of benefit for those who need the surgery.

So, what's your viewpoint here?

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[–] [email protected] 99 points 7 months ago (15 children)

It makes public spectacle of acceptable targets of bullying. People laugh at them safely at home without facing consequences.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (5 children)

That's actually weird, because I'm always thinking "wow, look how far they came! awesome work!" which is the opposite mindset.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Look how far they came when they had access to social supports and the high quality food we deny to the poor - it's trying to shift the narrative from societal issues to personal responsibility... "look how easy it is - you too could lose hundreds of pounds if you got off your lazy ass" without regard to the fact that the personal trainers and dieticians are out of reach for normal people.

Look at billionaires if you want the real proof - Jeff Bezos hasn't always looked like Vin Diesel, old pictures of Elon Musk are an amazing contrast, ditto for Gates - honestly Zuckerberg seems to be the exception here because martial arts a life long hobby of his... these are all people who already had a shit ton of money but even they struggled before they had a team dedicated to their body.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, in Bullyland that's not gonna be a popular attitude.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I can see where Bullyland might exist among regular people, but not among doctors given that M6L is literally run by Dr. Now's son and overweight + obesity is approaching the number 1 preventable cause of death in the US. I guess I just have a different perspective than most?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago

If said doctors participate in something that is oriented to appease the public of bullies, I don't care about their good intentions -- they're accomplices.

The producers don't care about reducing the health crisis in the US. They care about viewers and the money they bring.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

Just because that is how you enjoy the show doesn't mean everyone is the same way.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

I watch and enjoy m600L for the same reason you do. I want to watch the overwhelming motivation and winning that happens frequently. The fact that some people don't seem to be able to rise is what makes it not mundane though: you can't always predict who will knuckle down and kick ass. Lots of people here seem to maybe not have watched more than a trailer of it.

Dr. Now with his hilarious diamond and gold plated stethoscope is definitely milking it though.

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