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No one ever says, 'I hate what he stands for and he has MY vote.' (lemmy.world)

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 6 months ago

"He tells it like it is" means "he says things I like to hear."

[–] [email protected] 36 points 6 months ago (1 children)

In modern politics you never know where anyone stands. Having a platform is political suicide. "Stay vague and useless my friends" ~the least interesting man in the world.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Talk less. Smile more.

Don't let them know what you're against or what you're for.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

I'm very much for whatever my pollsters tell me to be for on a given day and/or whatever lobby has overflowing pockets!!

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago

"He's a man of action" is not positive if the actions are shit.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I don't like what Biden stands for and he has my vote.

[+] [email protected] -39 points 6 months ago (8 children)

then I do not trust your moral convictions, if you are so willingo to toss your vote to somone who you do not belive in what they stand for

[–] [email protected] 25 points 6 months ago

No it's because the other guy is infinitely worse and the American system of only having two parties forces us to choose the best between two options.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 6 months ago (3 children)

My moral conviction is I would like my queer friends not to be genocided next year. Go fuck yourself.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

trans genocide is here now, in biden’s america, and none of you give a fuck! 378 active anti-trans bills right now and none of the liberal “allies” around me EVER speak about it, much less do anything about it. we aren’t a tool for you to use as you please! stop speaking over us you fucking scum bag!

[+] [email protected] -12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

You will stand by and shrug your shoulders as we're dragged off to the camps you spineless coward. Stop using us as a rhetorical shield and grow a fucking brain. Biden has done N O T H I N G to stop the flood of anti-trans legislation happening all over the country. He will do N O T H I N G to save us. UNDERSTAND THIS.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I want you to genuinely think. Will more queer folk be harmed under Biden or Trump? It's a cynical question. But you can't lie to yourself and say the answer is the same. That's my simple math.

Saying I'm going to "stand by and shrug my shoulders". You don't know me. Your arguing a faceless amalgamation of every liberal who vaguely says something liberal. Understand I am not a liberal. Understand that I have stake in this. Understand that we both can shit on Biden all god damn day but at the end of it, we both know queer folk will suffer less under Biden. That doesn't mean he's going to fix it. Doesn't mean he's going to be a big ol trans flag waving person. He simply will not accelerate it.

I'll take the extra time. Because unless your planning on grabbing and gun and popping shots in the next few months, that's the fucking choice right now. And I'll take the extra time rather than the guy who's gonna turn your states anti trans legislation into federal legislation.

It's cynical. But thems the breaks.

Respect comrade. We are in this boat together.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

LOL, plenty of us will stand by those we love. I've got close to a dozen LGBT+ friends (chosen family) who I would stand on the line and take a beating for.

Maybe take a long think about why you don't feel you have anyone around you who would do the same.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Your moral convictions tell you to not vote or to vote for literal fascism?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

They are the same thing. Either you vote to oppose a fascist wannabe dictator or you support them.

There is no third option.

[+] [email protected] -11 points 6 months ago (2 children)

THe Libertarian candidate will be on the ballot in every state

https://jacobforliberty.org

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago

And they aren’t going to come close to winning so if you really don’t like facism it’s probably best to vote for the only non-fascist candidate who has a chance of winning.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

That's just supporting Trump but telling yourself you didn't so you can sleep at night. There's literally 0 chance of voting for libertarians doing anything more than wasting a vote that could be used to keep the orange fascist out

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

If one where to think that Trump where the lesser of two evils would you discourage them from voting Libertarian?

For most people a vote for Trump or Biden is actually a wasted vote. Most states are solidly Blue or Red so voting R/D won't change anything. It is far more likely that your single vote for a new Party's candidate will get them over the threshold to maintain ballot access for the following election cycle, than your vote for an old Party's candidate will get them over the threshold to receive the plurality of the vote. Maintaining ballot access for new parties allows them to spend more money the next time actually getting out their message and building votes rather than having to spend most of it paying petitioners to get back on the ballot again. Eventually this could lead to a more representative multi-party system in the USA. But treating every election as "the most important election of our lifetime" and refusing to vote for a candidate that more closely represents your values rather than the one more likely to beat the candidate you dislike most, purpurates the system of abuse. Its like a person returning to their previous partner that verbally abuses them because they fear their partner that physically abuses them.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Alternate take: If you’re at a table with nine outspoken nazis, and you’re not actively working against them? There are 10 nazis at the table.

A refusal to vote against a fascist is tacit support of that fascist.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago

If you can't see why the alternative is objectively magnitudes worse, I really don't trust your judgement.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago

You probably missed the premise. It's "who aligns most with my moral convictions"

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago

You have no idea how any of this works

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Since when do morals have anything to do with voting?

If I followed my morals I wouldn't vote at all because I'm morally opposed to the existence of government.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago

Strychnine tea. At least you know what it'll to your body.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Because they don't hate him. They see who they want to be, in them. The mirror never lies.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

I don't think those people are trying to tell you that they don't like what he stands for though