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[–] [email protected] 91 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I think Americans in general don't see it as a difficult choice to support Ukraine

Politicians find it difficult because Republicans are pro-russian, and both parties are heavily aligned with Israel. So Ukraines the only one really seeing any push back.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Fuck that, isreal is a terrorist state. Anyone voting for funding isreal is voting against human rights.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Honestly surprised that I hear this so much. For context, I am not a Republican, so I'm not defending them, but every Republican I've talked to has been anti Russia to the max. They might disagree on the amount of money that we send Ukraine ("Why are we sending billions over there when we can't even figure out our own country" comes up a lot) but I've never heard a single one say anything in the support of Russia. It's so confusing when I hear people say conservatives are pro-Russia... Different ecosystems I guess

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I do believe they were referring quite specifically to the politicians, since on every side it seems politicians are disconnected from their constituents and do things those constituents absolutely wouldn't (this isn't some bizarre both-sides argument btw, just general frustration at the state of things)

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (8 children)

Republicans aren't pro-Russia. Some just think war against Iran or China is a higher priority.

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 10 months ago (9 children)
[–] [email protected] 25 points 10 months ago

Yes. As part of America, fuck this apartheid we’re funding.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

MUCH Better

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I’d revise that to “Republicans”

[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago (4 children)

It was the Democrat president that bypassed congress twice to send munitions to Israel during it's active genocidal campaign so no, it's not Republicans.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Also, Republicans want to send weapons and money to Israel and not to Ukraine, while Congressional/Biden admin Democrats want to do both. So with Republicans you get double the genocides.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I wanted to but changed it to "Americans" on the last minute.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I think the majority of Americans don't really see a dilemma there.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I think replacing it with "American Politicians" would work, but accuracy, in my Polandb... meme?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It would work. Senator Sanders forced a vote to require the State department to report on Israel's humanitarian violations or immediately withhold aid, and the Senate quickly voted 72-11 against the proposal. That is probably the most bi-partisan vote we've seen in decades. But don't go thinking that the enormous American political machine actually represents the will of the American people. They represent corporate interests, and hardly even try to hide that anymore.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Did anyone call Sanders anti-semitic?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Yes, a number of users on Lemmy have made that claim, and this article shows references of it being done by various media outlets and other political pundits.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

First of all history began in 2022 not 2014, and second of all those children are Untermensch and don’t count.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago (12 children)

Saveing children by giveing guns to Azov...

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I find it funny that Americans (esp. Republicans) who love to «win» at all things, would be fine to allow Russia to win against the west in Ukraine. I think if they decide to stay on their isolationist path, Lavrov’s propaganda from earlier in the week will come true, and the US will seize to be a superpower. «Greatest country in the world»? Starting to look pretty weak to me.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The US is speed running the Empire game. They blitzed through the early game, beat a super power, became the dominant military force in the world, dominated in culture, and are now seeing how fast they can decline before the entire country implodes on itself.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

Capitalism made the system more efficient!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

Well the leader of one side campaigned in 2016 on the promise of carpet bombing the Middle East and they side with Russia

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

These two conflicts have a lot of points of views. In russia ukraine its a bit easier because russia attacked ukriane so its pretty clear that russia is the "evil". But with israel and gaza a lot of people confuse palestinians with hamas and israeli people with the israeli government. Ad for why ukraine supports israel when they are much closer to gaza i think its because they really need the us and eu to help so they didnt even have an option.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I think it's more that people confuse the Israeli government with "the Jewish people", when the truth is that they are very separate. The Israeli people are somewhere in the middle. There seems to be a bunch of them who are quite supportive of their government's actions.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Or we fix some shit at home first.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

There is always shit to solve, but right now, if ukraine's shit isn't solved soon enough, we all will have a lot of piled up shit to solve.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

That never happens. Plus we don't have anyone bombing our kids.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Weaker Russia means lower need for future military spending, and it is cheaper to give old weapons to Ukraine than to dispose of them locally.

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