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[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I mean, if the ~~road~~ street takes up only part of the width of the right of way, you can do a lot with blocking off half the ~~road~~ street and alternating which side every few dozen metres. No demolition required.

Upon closer inspection, what you just described is a street, not a road.

Also, even with a narrower street, with strategically placed obstacles, you can convince drivers to zig-zag and reduce their speed that way.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I didn't know there was a difference, I've been using them synonymously.

With the proposed changes traffic would have to wait constantly to let the other side pass. You would not only limit speed, but als throughput. If you just go slower because of speed cameras, the amount of traffic can stay the same.

There's a lot of cars and lorries going through here. Sometimes a road/street that has a lot of traffic just goes through a fairly residential area and we kind of have to live with the fact.

And if you think that's bad city planning call the eighteen hundreds and complain to these people.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

There's a difference. A road is meant to be a fast connection between points at the ends. This calls for forgiving design and higher speeds.
Meanwhile, a street is meant to be for allowing access to the nearby land. That warrants lower speeds, and the expectation that anyone can be on any of the sides as they see necessary. A street should function less like a vehicle artery, and more like an outdoor room.

Notice that these are incompatible uses. North American traffic engineers clearly didn't, allowing main streets to become the main thoroughfare, i.e. the main roads through an area as well. This produces the most dangerous type of transportation infrastructure: the stroad. Which is both meant to be a fast connection AND access to the nearby land, and in doing so fails at both.

If this stretch of car infrastructure you were discussing is supposed to be a street, vehicle throughput should probably be one of the last priorities, and vehicles are better off on a road a few blocks over.